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Old 09-26-2012, 12:08 PM   #46
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Actually I bet you did not think it was good until you saw the refs raise their hands...because I yelled its no good, and was bias was that I think balls should actually have to go through the uprights to be good. Sadly if that was the only f'd up thing in that came that screwed the pats, I would probably get over it, but no....there were many many other things that the refs did that made that call look decent.
I couldnt tell if it was good or not at first..........and the refs screw ups have hurt all teams....but let's be honest.....all teams are also leaving a lot of plays on the field in every game.....so yes, the refs can be blamed for bad officiating.......but they can't be blamed for poor play, which IMO, is the main reason behind losses (except the GB game)
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I couldnt tell if it was good or not at first..........and the refs screw ups have hurt all teams....but let's be honest.....all teams are also leaving a lot of plays on the field in every game.....so yes, the refs can be blamed for bad officiating.......but they can't be blamed for poor play, which IMO, is the main reason behind losses (except the GB game)
Refs are not hurting all teams....ask Seattle. lol So wait.....poor play is the reason the pats lost...but GB scoring 12 points and their QB getting sacked 8 times means they played great? Yep don't let your bias talk for you at all here.
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I couldnt tell if it was good or not at first..........and the refs screw ups have hurt all teams....but let's be honest.....all teams are also leaving a lot of plays on the field in every game.....so yes, the refs can be blamed for bad officiating.......but they can't be blamed for poor play, which IMO, is the main reason behind losses (except the GB game)
i have to disagree about the GB game. GB got a few calls their way to produce their only TD drive. They weren't playing to well either. Plenty of mistakes throughout the game. Was the last call wrong absolutely. But even the real refs have made some bone headed calls to change game outcomes. Super Bowl XL comes to mind.

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Refs are not hurting all teams....ask Seattle. lol So wait.....poor play is the reason the pats lost...but GB scoring 12 points and their QB getting sacked 8 times means they played great? Yep don't let your bias talk for you at all here.
ok....so with this theory, Seattle had no bad calls go against them ? Poor play / missed plays are contributing factors for every teams losses....yes, even the Pats. GB didnt give up 8 sacks because of poor officiating....and they werent held to 12 pts because of poor officiating.....
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i have to disagree about the GB game. GB got a few calls their way to produce their only TD drive. They weren't playing to well either. Plenty of mistakes throughout the game. Was the last call wrong absolutely. But even the real refs have made some bone headed calls to change game outcomes. Super Bowl XL comes to mind.

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I get what your saying.....I think in the GB game.....their poor play throughout gets lost because of the timing / magnitude of the horrendous call. But you are right....they too left a lot on the field
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I get what your saying.....I think in the GB game.....their poor play throughout gets lost because of the timing / magnitude of the horrendous call. But you are right....they too left a lot on the field
I think that's what Middie's point is. Did the Pats play well enough to win did GB play well enough to win hard to say based on some head scratching calls throughout the game and more importantly in key moments. I'm more upset about phantom PI calls during scoring drives that should have been 3 and outs then the boneheaded calls at the end of the game. The end of the game calls wouldn't have matter to either teams if the rest of the game was called semi decent IMHO. If both teams playing are leaving plays on the field the refs shouldn't be leveling that field out. Which seems to have been the case on more then one occasion.

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I think that's what Middie's point is. Did the Pats play well enough to win did GB play well enough to win hard to say based on some head scratching calls throughout the game and more importantly in key moments. I'm more upset about phantom PI calls during scoring drives that should have been 3 and outs then the boneheaded calls at the end of the game. The end of the game calls wouldn't have matter to either teams if the rest of the game was called semi decent IMHO. If both teams playing are leaving plays on the field the refs shouldn't be leveling that field out. Which seems to have been the case on more then one occasion.

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this gets me the most pissed also. Either way.....the refs are awful...they are effecting every game (some more then others) and the owners need to resolve this
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this gets me the most pissed also. Either way.....the refs are awful...they are effecting every game (some more then others) and the owners need to resolve this
Not to mention players smacking around other players while the ref is standing right there watching them. I think the main point that most are missing or not willing to admit is some of the blatant non PF calls and how they effected the games dynamics.. The refs were intimidated which effects the way the calls go. Again IMHO

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I think that's what Middie's point is. Did the Pats play well enough to win did GB play well enough to win hard to say based on some head scratching calls throughout the game and more importantly in key moments. I'm more upset about phantom PI calls during scoring drives that should have been 3 and outs then the boneheaded calls at the end of the game. The end of the game calls wouldn't have matter to either teams if the rest of the game was called semi decent IMHO. If both teams playing are leaving plays on the field the refs shouldn't be leveling that field out. Which seems to have been the case on more then one occasion.

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Honestly....and I hate to say it...there is zero doubt in my mind if not for those horrible phantom calls, the pats win that game...the refs killed more momentum in that game and caused the pats to change the entire way they played, and I am still not convinced that ball was good, and worse then that, on the ravens TD drive that got them to within two, they were flat out taken to the endzone by the refs....so sorry say I am crying, say I am making excuses, but there is zero doubt they win that game with the real refs.
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Honestly....and I hate to say it...there is zero doubt in my mind if not for those horrible phantom calls, the pats win that game...the refs killed more momentum in that game and caused the pats to change the entire way they played, and I am still not convinced that ball was good, and worse then that, on the ravens TD drive that got them to within two, they were flat out taken to the endzone by the refs....so sorry say I am crying, say I am making excuses, but there is zero doubt they win that game with the real refs.
Agreed, well at least a better chance It wasn't

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I couldnt tell if it was good or not at first..........and the refs screw ups have hurt all teams....but let's be honest.....all teams are also leaving a lot of plays on the field in every game.....so yes, the refs can be blamed for bad officiating.......but they can't be blamed for poor play, which IMO, is the main reason behind losses (except the GB game)
How can have a high level of play when every time you make one a bogus called is made that extends a drive?

How can you make a play, when everytime you beat your guy, you get pulled down?
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Not to mention players smacking around other players while the ref is standing right there watching them. I think the main point that most are missing or not willing to admit is some of the blatant non PF calls and how they effected the games dynamics.. The refs were intimidated which effects the way the calls go. Again IMHO

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I heard this morning....that some of these refs were fired from the lingeree (sp) football league for poor performance........true story

maybe if Brady wore a lacy bra....the pats would be undefeated
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How can have a high level of play when every time you make one a bogus called is made that extends a drive?

How can you make a play, when everytime you beat your guy, you get pulled down?
agreed.....this is such a bad scene.....and as pissed as us fans are about it....to date, the owners have not shown they care......we are still the ppl filling their pockets
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I heard this morning....that some of these refs were fired from the lingeree (sp) football league for poor performance........true story

maybe if Brady wore a lacy bra....the pats would be undefeated
What do you mean "if"
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I heard this morning....that some of these refs were fired from the lingeree (sp) football league for poor performance........true story

maybe if Brady wore a lacy bra....the pats would be undefeated
Yeah I heard that the other day. With those high heel boots and we would have won by 20 both game

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