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Old 01-12-2018, 04:03 PM   #196
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If my employee handbook says that I can't use gender identification pronouns, or use the word "black" to describe African Americans, is that reasonable, unreasonable..political?

If you are objecting to the CDC standards, which I presume you find unreasonable and political, we need to apply those standards across the board, right? Or...do we pick and choose different standards for different employers, or do we pick and choose what standards we like, and what standards we don't like, and apply them universally to all employers.
You are all over the place here, Baron. Do you not see the distinction between limitations motivated by political correctness and those motivated by political leanings?

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No, you're playing word-games designed to obscure the point.

If you want me to believe this is incorrect, give me a legitimate, non-conservative basis for restricting the use of "fetus".

FWIW, the most germane response is that the "banned words" thing appears to to have been overblown (even according to CNN). But since that isn't where you've gone we'll proceed as if the original reporting was correct.
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Old 01-13-2018, 12:45 PM   #197
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Are you suggesting that "political correctness" is "not political"?

My answer is not all over the place, I think you are confusing two aspects of my views.

My glee at the CDC's muzzle order is just personal amusement. My stance on it, though, is that in an employer-employee scenario, the employer can make any reasonable rules and guidelines they like. The CDC is an employer-employee relationship.

My objection to the Twitter, et al censorship is not one of what Twitter has the right to do...they have every right to manage their service as they see fit. It is not, however, an employer-employee relationship, so in my mind, the two situations are not similar or analagous.

The Twitter censorship is one that affects the general public negatively that uses their service. They have every right to do it, but they should lay it out in their ToS and be honest about it. If there is certain content that they will not allow, or ban people for...it should be in the ToS. They should state clearly that certain points of view and certain topics, could lead to a suspension of use of the service, or something like that. It should state outright that content considered conservative or right wing could lead to suspension of services for the account in question.

More importantly, denying that such terms of service exist, when in fact they do, is a problem for me.

Other than that, they have every right to set whatever standards they like. It's a private entity.
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Old 01-13-2018, 01:31 PM   #198
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Are you suggesting that "political correctness" is "not political"?
Are you suggesting that because the same word appears in each phrase it makes the concepts identical?

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Yes, the key word being "reasonable".

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That they aren't analogous is besides the point. In both circumstances, political bias is being interjected onto a controlled space via limited language. The comparison requires no more similarity that that.

That said, you've explained why you see the situations differently, which is what I was asking for.
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Old 01-13-2018, 01:50 PM   #199
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Yes, the key word being "reasonable".
By "reasonable", I would define it very broadly. Basically, you can tell an employee to not use gender identification pronoouns, if you want, but you can't tell them to call black people that walk in "n*ggers" or something like that, even if you are a white supremacist army navy shop owner. And you can't tell your employees to refer to gay people as "f*gs".

By "reasonable", it would basically mean you cannot instruct your employees to do anything that might put them in civil or legal jeopardy, or endanger them in any way.

That's what I mean by "reasonable"...not some wishy washy, subjective, political opinion poll.

If you're employer says you have to talk like a pirate at work, that is a "reasonable" guideline. If an employer says you have to speak in the 3rd person like Bob Dole while at work, that is totally reasonable. If an employer says you can't say "President Trump", or "Global Warming", that is totally reasonable. It does not jeopardize the employee in any way to abide by those rules.
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This seems as good a place as any for this YouTube restricted (ironic) video:

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I love the fact that at work, if I am having a conversation with someone and an uninvolved party walks by and "finds it offensive" that creates a problem for me. Such bullshit.
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Are you suggesting that "political correctness" is "not political"?

My answer is not all over the place, I think you are confusing two aspects of my views.

My glee at the CDC's muzzle order is just personal amusement. My stance on it, though, is that in an employer-employee scenario, the employer can make any reasonable rules and guidelines they like. The CDC is an employer-employee relationship.

My objection to the Twitter, et al censorship is not one of what Twitter has the right to do...they have every right to manage their service as they see fit. It is not, however, an employer-employee relationship, so in my mind, the two situations are not similar or analagous.

The Twitter censorship is one that affects the general public negatively that uses their service. They have every right to do it, but they should lay it out in their ToS and be honest about it. If there is certain content that they will not allow, or ban people for...it should be in the ToS. They should state clearly that certain points of view and certain topics, could lead to a suspension of use of the service, or something like that. It should state outright that content considered conservative or right wing could lead to suspension of services for the account in question.

More importantly, denying that such terms of service exist, when in fact they do, is a problem for me.

Other than that, they have every right to set whatever standards they like. It's a private entity.
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Ah, so it is there. Good enough for me.

At least we don't have to pretend that Twitter isn't biased any more.
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Hey Jaric...there may be a job for you at Twitter, right up your alley!

Hundreds of people get paid to look at dick picks! Your missing out, bud!

Sex sting: ‘Hundreds’ at Twitter tracking & storing ‘d*ck pics’ - Project Veritas

In undercover interviews with Twitter staff, Project Veritas has alleged that hundreds of employees are tasked with searching for graphic user photos. This data is then stored – indefinitely.

For anyone who thinks the information they send over Twitter is somehow protected from third-party snooping, think again. In a series of interviews caught on hidden camera in early January, Clay Haynes, senior network security engineer, dispels those notions once and for all.

“I’ve seen way more penises than I’ve ever wanted to see in my life,” Haynes confides to an undercover journalist with Project Veritas.

When asked to elaborate, Haynes says the graphic material is found on “DMs (direct messages), tweets…”

“Lots of d*cks,” he emphasized.

Interestingly, it is not the work of a robot to automatically single out the offensive content, but rather large teams of humans devoted to the task. “There’s teams dedicated to it,” Haynes confirms. “I mean, we’re talking, we’re talking three or four… at least, three or four hundred people.”

“Yes, they’re paid to look at d*ck pics.”


According to the founder of Project Veritas, James O’Keefe, users have no way to protect themselves from Twitter violations of privacy.

“Twitter has pages and pages of rules and requirements, including its comprehensive terms of service that protects Twitter from you,” O’Keefe noted. “But you have nothing that protects you from Twitter.”

This boils down to the ultimate question: How much information does Twitter have, and what are they doing with it?

According to another Twitter employee, a direct messaging engineer introduced as Pranay Singh, quite a lot.

“All your sex messages and your, like, dick pics are on my server now… All your illegitimate wives and, like, all the girls you’ve been f*cking around with, they’re on my server now,” Singh boasted.

“I’m going to send it to your wife, she’s going to use it in your divorce,” he added, jokingly.

But as the axiom says, with every joke there is a hint of truth.

O’Keefe commented on this particularly jocular, cocky stance from many Twitter engineers, who “seemed to have a more cavalier attitude about user privacy. It is almost like the whole culture at Twitter is about abusing and laughing at users.”

Singh emphasized a terrible truth about all of the vast amounts of personal data that Twitter hoovers up on a daily basis: it never goes away. “Like, they are always on there,” Singh claims.

And this fits in with Twitter’s particular business model, which collects user information and sells it to businesses, advertisers, and other interested parties, it appears.

“Even after you send [the information], people are analyzing them, to see what you’re interested in, to see what you’re talking about, and they sell that data.” When asked to clarify what sort of information Twitter makes available, Singh said, “everything.”

Even direct messages are free game. As O’Keefe explained, “this is not your run-of-the-mill big data. This is personal and specific, and that has a high premium for advertisers.”

Another Twitter engineer, Mihai Florea, who has been with the company for three years, admitted that selling data to advertisers is “how we make most of our money.”

Florea said that users are “paying for the right to use our website with your data basically… And it’s the same way with every free website.”
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Twitter has rejected the claims put forward in the Project Veritas investigation.

"We do not proactively review DMs. Period," a company spokesperson told BuzzFeed. "A limited number of employees have access to such information, for legitimate work purposes, and we enforce strict access protocols for those employees."

It must be noted that the work of Project Veritas has not been without criticism for the methods it employs.

In 2010, O’Keefe was sentenced to three years’ probation, 100 hours of community service, and a $1,500 fine for entering then-Senator Mary Landrieu’s (D-La.) office on false pretenses.

O’Keefe and three colleagues were arrested by federal authorities at Landrieu’s office on allegations of phone-tampering.

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You know....being "Banned on Twitter" may prove to be a 2018 campaign badge of honor that gets votes for the right wingers this year.

It's sort of becoming a way to separate the Republicans from the RINOS.

"If your a Republican and never got banned from Twitter, you might be a RINO."
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YouTube's New Moderators Mistakenly Pull Right-Wing Channels

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-wing-channels

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Another leftist attempt to "censor, suppress, silence" has failed...

Google Tried to Censor What Americans Can Buy Online — but It Totally Backfired

Very silently — and very temporarily — this week Google appeared to have chosen a side in the gun control debate in the wake of the recent school shooting in Florida that left 17 people dead. Disappointingly, that stance involved censorship of what shoppers using the corporation’s search engine could find online.

On Tuesday morning, people shopping via Google began to notice that any search items related to the word “gun” or the category of firearms in general were coming back with zero results. If you were in the market for a glue gun or a nail gun or any other such product, you were simply out of luck.

But it went even further than that. Any shopping search at all that contained the letter string of G, U, and N would come back with nothing. Looking to purchase a box set of the TV show “Laguna Beach: The Real Orange County?” Sorry. Trying to find that perfect burgundy rug for the living room? Not today.

In fact, Google’s algorithm restrictions went beyond the term “gun” and prohibited shoppers from finding seemingly any item that could be — however tangentially — connected to firearms. If you were searching for auto parts for your Dodge Colt, for example, Google was no help. Need some more razors from Remington? Better look elsewhere.

As demonstrated by YouTuber Douglas Stewart, these restrictions only applied to people using Google’s “Shopping” tab. All the words and phrases previously mentioned, as well as the countless others that weren’t, came back with standard results when searchers keyed them under the “All” tab.

It didn’t take long for people to notice what was happening, and many began highlighting the situation on social media. Equally quickly, Google caught on that people had caught on. By late Tuesday, as the Washington Examiner pointed out, shopping via Google had returned to its previous experience.

Many things are troubling here, not the least of which is the idea that the world’s most-used search engine would try to control what people can purchase online. Just as worrisome, however, is the fact that Google made this move in silence. No announcement of the change, no statement on the retraction.

At a time when critically important debates are taking place on the complex issue of gun violence, it should be alarming to everyone — regardless of your stance on the topic — that such an attempt at censorship was made.


http://theantimedia.org/google-censor-gun-control/

Bloomberg playing the apologist role for Youtube..

YouTube's New Moderators Mistakenly Pull Right-Wing Channels

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-wing-channels

Noone believes it was "Accidetnal", because it wasn't...it was coordinated mass bannings. Gun channels, conservative channels, Christian channels, anything right wing.

The only "mistake" was being overly enthusiastic and doing it all at once. Even the CNN and MSNBC's of the world were doing reports on the news...applauding it, of course. It was no secret what was going on.

Hopefully, this will be the beginning of the end for the Google/Amazon empire. It will take awhile, but there is a lot of incentive and profits to be had to build alternatives to the Goggle Empire.
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Here's what you do, dumbass. Are you listening? Are you paying attention?

Nothing.

Got that? Can you remember it? Write it down, maybe?

You provide the venue, the platform, the tool, the service.

It is not your responsibility to play Thought Police or Speech Police. If you didn't live ina a world of Angry Bolshevik Angst, you would know this.

Only leftist socialists think that "Free Speech" and "harmonious love and respect" can both be acheived. They are incompatable.

You have to choose whether you support free speech, or whether you support rigid and oppressive controls over expression to avoid conflicts. It's one or the other, pal.

I support free speech, free expression, and free association, myself. I think I represent a super-minority in America in that regard though...much less than 1/3 of the country would agree, I suspect.
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If you go to jail because you said something your free speech rights have been violated.

No one owes you a forum.

If you don't like Twitter's rules or Facebook's rules don't use the platform.
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