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Old 12-19-2017, 07:36 AM   #16
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Can someone tell me how was the internet prior to June 12, 2015?

Was it broken and only saved by the introduction of the FCC regulations?

Of course not.

Does the repeal mean that anti-competitive practices by any corporation can proceed without any government agency being empowered to challenge them?

Of course not. The FTC can step in if necessary using anti-trust regulations as the basis for their involvement.
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Can someone tell me how was the internet prior to June 12, 2015?

Was it broken and only saved by the introduction of the FCC regulations?

Of course not.

Does the repeal mean that anti-competitive practices by any corporation can proceed without any government agency being empowered to challenge them?

Of course not. The FTC can step in if necessary using anti-trust regulations as the basis for their involvement.
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Old 12-20-2017, 09:05 AM   #19
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Can someone tell me how was the internet prior to June 12, 2015?

Was it broken and only saved by the introduction of the FCC regulations?

Of course not.

Does the repeal mean that anti-competitive practices by any corporation can proceed without any government agency being empowered to challenge them?

Of course not. The FTC can step in if necessary using anti-trust regulations as the basis for their involvement.
You had plenty of issues before 2015. Major ISPs almost all throttled Netflix speeds. Some ISPs throttled messaging services and video chats.
That's why, in 2015, ISPs were reclassified as a common carrier.
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That's why, in 2015, ISPs were reclassified as a common carrier.
I never saw that, nor do I know anyone who did.

I heard stories...but I had multiple computers running video games, and mutiple TV's running Netflix...and I never had any trouble.

I suspect the stories are exceedingly rare and grossly exaggerated.
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I never saw that, nor do I know anyone who did.

I heard stories...but I had multiple computers running video games, and mutiple TV's running Netflix...and I never had any trouble.

I suspect the stories are exceedingly rare and grossly exaggerated.
Yes, the default mode even here has become "fake news!!!111"

Anyway:

https://www.wired.com/2012/09/factime-fcc-flap/

https://www.vox.com/2014/5/5/5683642...t-access-until

https://www.wired.com/2009/10/iphone-att-skype/

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/aug...ss/fi-comcast2
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I never saw that, nor do I know anyone who did.

I heard stories...but I had multiple computers running video games, and mutiple TV's running Netflix...and I never had any trouble.

I suspect the stories are exceedingly rare and grossly exaggerated.
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You did notice, right, that in your links, the problems were identified and resolved prior to and without Net Neutrality being in place yet?

Besides, those states that want NN are instituting it of their own accord....the perfect solution. Federalis are not needed.
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You did notice, right, that in your links, the problems were identified and resolved prior to and without Net Neutrality being in place yet?

Besides, those states that want NN are instituting it of their own accord....the perfect solution. Federalis are not needed.
State by state. That's hilarious. The FCC's own order states that it "preempt[s] any state or local measures that would effectively impose rules or requirements that we have repealed or decided to refrain from imposing."
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State by state. That's hilarious. The FCC's own order states that it "preempt[s] any state or local measures that would effectively impose rules or requirements that we have repealed or decided to refrain from imposing."
And yet their doing it anyway.

I'm not sure the FCC has any kind of jurisdiction over state legislatures, but maybe we'll find out.

..maybe they'll be smoking bones while writing up their state NN laws.

In a separate effort, a few New York state senators are working on net neutrality legislation, the Fast Company article said. There are also net neutrality bills being introduced in states including Washington and California.

Meanwhile, state attorneys general from New York, Washington, and elsewhere plan to sue the FCC to overturn the net neutrality repeal and the related preemption of state laws. States planning to sue the FCC to reinstate net neutrality rules also include Massachusetts, Illinois, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and Delaware. Iowa and Connecticut might join the lawsuit against the FCC as well.


https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...w/?&comments=1
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ISPs: Hi, we're your friendly neighborhood cable company, everyone loves us right? Well actually lately there's been a few negative nellies who are angry at us because we want the ability to throttle your service and create internet fast lanes for big corporations who can afford to pay us, while bending over smaller companies and individuals who either can't afford to pay or say things we don't like and giving them the shaft! Now, of course we wouldn't actually do that, we just want the ability to... But we totally wouldn't though! It'd just make us feel better if we were able to... even though we absolutely wouldn't. I mean, come on who do you trust more than your cable company? When you think "Honesty, Integrity, and great Customer Service." You think "My cable company." Am I right or am I right?

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State by state. That's hilarious. The FCC's own order states that it "preempt[s] any state or local measures that would effectively impose rules or requirements that we have repealed or decided to refrain from imposing."
But... but... but... States rights!

Oh, right Conservatives only like states rights when the states want the right to do something they like.
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Trade group including Facebook, Google plans to sue FCC over net neutrality

http://thehill.com/policy/technology...e-fcc-over-net

Well, I feel pretty vindicated. Being in support of something Google and Facebook hate kind of reassures me that I am on the correct side of the issue.
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State by state. That's hilarious. The FCC's own order states that it "preempt[s] any state or local measures that would effectively impose rules or requirements that we have repealed or decided to refrain from imposing."
Net neutrality advocates look to states after FCC repeal

http://thehill.com/policy/technology...ter-fcc-repeal

Just a follow up.

I support states' rights, f*ck the FCC, 10th amendment rules. Any power not granted to the Federal government in the Constitution remains with the states and the people.

Suck it, feds.
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