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Old 12-16-2017, 12:07 PM   #16
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EU Gives Poland One Month Ultimatum, Threatens With "Article 7 Procedure"

The Vice-President of the European Commission, Frans Timmermans, escalated the diplomatic row between Brussels and Warsaw on Wednesday when he said that the EU was launching legal infringement proceedings and giving Warsaw a one month ultimatum over one of the recently passed reforms to Poland's court system, even as earlier in the week Poland's president Andrzej Duda vetoed two of the four controversial reforms to the judiciary.

The EU has taken issue with one particular legislation because it introduces different retirement ages for male and female judges, which the Commission claims is a breach of EU anti-discrimination law. The law would see female judges retire at 60 and males at 65. As a result, Timmermans gave Warsaw a one month ultimatum to alleviate its concerns over the rule of law before deciding on whether it would "escalate proceedings." Timmermans also said the approval of the remaining measures still undermined the independence of the country’s judges in defiance of EU law.

Brussels also sent a set of recommendations to Poland threatening that the country's voting rights could be suspended - under Article 7 of the EU treaty - if certain changes are implemented. Specifically, Polish authorities are warned not to take any measure to dismiss or force the retirement of Supreme Court judges.

“In this past week some things have changed in Poland and some have not”, said Mr Timmermans. Any move from Poland’s ruling Law And Justice Party (PiS) to force the resignation of the country’s judges would have the EU stand “immediately ready to trigger the Article 7 procedure”, added the commissioner. Invocation of Article 7 of the EU’s treaties would result in a formal warning to Warsaw – an unprecedented move that has yet to be taken against a member state government.

President Duda’s decision to block a portion of the reform bill followed mass public protests against the government’s attempt to take control of the judiciary. Of the two bills that have passed, one will hand power to Poland’s justice minister, who is also the prosecutor-general, to fire heads of the country’s lower courts. This bill has yet to be formally enacted, meaning the commission cannot start proceedings to challenge it in court. But Brussels can “pre-authorise” a challenge in the event that any of the bills is formally enacted during the commission’s summer break.

“The Commission’s hand is still extended to the Polish authorities, in the hope of a constructive dialogue”, added Mr Timmermans.

A quick overview of the EU's Article 7 procedure:

Article 7.1 of the Treaty on European Union provides for the Council, acting by a majority of four fifths of its members, to determine that there is a clear risk of a serious breach by a Member State of the common values referred to in Article 2 of the Treaty (see Annex II). The Commission can trigger this process by a reasoned proposal.



Annex II – Article 7 Treaty on European Union



1. On a reasoned proposal by one third of the Member States, by the European Parliament or by the European Commission, the Council, acting by a majority of four fifths of its members after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament, may determine that there is a clear risk of a serious breach by a Member State of the values referred to in Article 2. Before making such a determination, the Council shall hear the Member State in question and may address recommendations to it, acting in accordance with the same procedure.



The Council shall regularly verify that the grounds on which such a determination was made continue to apply.



2. The European Council, acting by unanimity on a proposal by one third of the Member States or by the Commission and after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament, may determine the existence of a serious and persistent breach by a Member State of the values referred to in Article 2, after inviting the Member State in question to submit its observations.



3. Where a determination under paragraph 2 has been made, the Council, acting by a qualified majority, may decide to suspend certain of the rights deriving from the application of the Treaties to the Member State in question, including the voting rights of the representative of the government of that Member State in the Council. In doing so, the Council shall take into account the possible consequences of such a suspension on the rights and obligations of natural and legal persons.



The obligations of the Member State in question under the Treaties shall in any case continue to be binding on that State.



4. The Council, acting by a qualified majority, may decide subsequently to vary or revoke measures taken under paragraph 3 in response to changes in the situation which led to their being imposed.



5. The voting arrangements applying to the European Parliament, the European Council and the Council for the purposes of this Article are laid down in Article 354 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...le-7-procedure

European Commission acts to preserve the rule of law in Poland

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-17-2161_en.htm

Listen up, Poland. Being a former Soviet Republic, you should understand how this works.

You are a sovereign nation in name only, OK? Your real government is Brussels, understand? It used to be Moscow, now it's Brussels.

You are actually a province of the EU, not a state with your own self rule. Get it?

Kind of like the "United States". They are sovereign states only on paper and in theory, they are not actually states, they are provinces of Washington, DC.

You are not free, Poland. This is not a voluntary association, you idiots. That was just a sales pitch. You now belong to us, the nationless, borderless, unelected corporate globalists.

Now behave, or the punishment will be severe....and just wait until we get our own EU Army to enforce our EU laws.
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Welcome to Utopia, Poland!

You now get to live the dream that was promised by a unified Europe....how does it feel? Is it everything you hoped for? Does it feel good?

EU Triggers "Unprecedented Nuclear Option" Against Poland; Sanctions May Follow

Yesterday we reported that German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron had publicly agreed to back Article 7 proceedings against Poland for refusing to comply with EU immigration quotas and changes to its judicial system. The only thing that was missing was the official triggering of the so-called "nuclear option" Article 7.

On Wednesday morning, in a historic development - one which may herald the future fracturing of the EU - the European Commission launched an injunction against Poland for a "serious breach" of European common values and rule of law. The European Commission said it decided to take the next step in its infringement procedure against Poland for breaches of EU law by the Law on the Ordinary Courts Organisation, referring Poland to the EU Court of Justice. And while only a warning now, Article 7 could lead to sanctions and a suspension of EU voting rights.

The unprecedented measure was taken amid two-year tensions between the EU and Poland over the latter’s judicial reforms. The bloc is concerned over "a serious breach of the rule of law" in the country, saying the reforms resulted in “the absence of judicial independence.” "It is up to Poland to identify its own model for its justice system, but it should do so in a way that respects the rule of law," it said in a statement.

In a bizarre warning, European Council president Donald Tusk, who himself is a Polish citizen, said that "Poland is currently seen as a force for disintegration of the European Union (EU) and hence it is important to end the destruction of Warsaw's reputation."

In a statement posted on Twitter, the Commission said that "despite efforts for a constructive dialogue for 2 years, we have concluded that there is a clear risk of a serious breach of the rule of law in Poland."




"Judicial reforms in Poland mean that the country's judiciary is now under the political control of the ruling majority. In the absence of judicial independence, serious questions are raised about the effective application of EU law," the Commission added. One of the most worrying reforms in Poland, the Commission said, was the government's move to grant the president greater powers to appoint judges to the Supreme Court, whose duties include confirming election results.

Germany and France are expected to back the commission’s recommendation when member states vote next year, in what is a dramatic escalation in tensions over the minimum obligations of EU membership. One senior EU diplomat tolf the FT it was a momentous decision to “cross the Rubicon”.

When announcing the decision to launch the censure process against Poland, Commission Vice President Frans Timmermans said that the ruling Law and Justice party (PiS) had adopted 13 laws in the last two years that created a situation where the state "can systematically interfere with the composition, powers, the administration and the functioning" of the judiciary. Timmermans also accused Warsaw of ignoring three warnings by the EU executive that its judicial measures were undermining the rule of law. "At the end of the day it is only the law that can protect us against naked political power, at the end of the day it is the law that keeps the European Union together," he said.

"It is with a heavy heart that we have activated Article 7(1). But the facts leave us with no choice. We have no other option. This is not just about Poland, it is about the EU as a whole. We continue to hope that we can enter into a more fruitful dialogue" Timmermans tweeted.




EU member states must now decide by a two-thirds majority whether they agree with the Commission's recommendation to trigger Article 7. If agreed, Poland could see its voting rights suspended.

However, Poland also has three months to remedy the situation by implementing a series of recommendations by the Commission aimed at restoring judicial legitimacy.

Responding to the triggering of Article 7, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said that the country is “as devoted to the rule of law as the rest of the EU,” and called on the EU partners for open and honest dialogue. “I believe that Poland’s sovereignty and the idea of United Europe can be reconciled,” Morawiecki tweeted.

PiS spokeswoman Beata Mazurek dismissed the Commission's decision to trigger Article 7, saying the decision "had no merit" and that it was "solely a political decision." She also stated that the EU’s actions could be related to Warsaw’s opposition to accepting Muslim refugees, according to Reuters.

Polish Justice Minister Zbigniew Ziobro told Polish state news agency PAP that he is puzzled over the “politically motivated” decision, stressing Warsaw strictly adheres to EU laws. Ziobro, who also serves as chief prosecutor as part of the judicial reforms, said Poland's government "must continue the reforms." Poland's national-conservative government has justified the measures, claiming the courts need to change because they are inefficient and remain steeped in a communist-era mentality.

Siding with Poland, Hungarian Prime Minister Zsolt Semjen decried the Commission's decision, saying Budapest will "defend" Poland by vetoing any disciplinary measures.

Meanwhile, setting the stage for a conflict between Poland and Germany, as we reported previously and ahead of Timmerman's announcement, the German government said it would support the Commission if it decided to open proceedings against Poland. "If it comes to the decision we will support," German Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert told reporters on Wednesday morning. Earlier reports suggested that France would back the move.

The first step towards stripping Poland of its voting rights comes amid an ongoing dispute between Brussels and Warsaw. The EU says 13 reforms adopted by Poland in the space of two years have affected “the entire structure of the justice system” and enabled the executive and legislative branches “to politically interfere” with the judicial one.

The hostiel relationship between Poland and Brussels emerged earlier this year, when protests erupted over the efforts to change the judiciary system. Opposition parties, rights groups, judges' lobbies, the Council of Europe, the EU Commission, and European countries including Germany and France also said the proposed changes would erode judicial independence by bringing the courts under the direct control of the government.

Poland and the EU have also clashed over migration, as Warsaw has refused to accept migrants as part of a quota system devised during the European refugee crisis. Then-Prime Minister Beata Szydlo said in November that the decision has resulted in her country being seen as "a country free of terrorism."

Ironically, today's Aritcle 7 announcement will almost certainly end up being another typically European theatrical plot which goes nowehere fast: member EU states need unity to implement the sanctions, which have already been opposed by Hungary, who promised to veto any such move. Budapest has its own dispute with Brussels over migrant issues, with its PM Viktor Orban being one of the most vocal critics of mandatory migrant quotas. He has warned that quotas would result in “tens of millions” of migrants flocking to Europe.

In other words, if Europe wants to punish the vocal offenders, it would need a carve out for Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic, all of which are engaged in some spat with the EU.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...ons-may-follow

Poland, you are "in breech of the law"! Your attempts to exercise sovereignty will not be tolerated!
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Yeah, sorry. The EU is a club for democratic sovereign nations only.

Have you actually spent any time looking at these 13 changes enacted in Poland or are you just a foghorn, blaring at the behest of zerohedge once again?
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I voluntarily join a club.

The club has rules fro membership.

I break the rules.

I get kicked out of the club.

How is that an infringement on my sovereignty?
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I break the rules.

I get kicked out of the club.

How is that an infringement on my sovereignty?
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Yeah, sorry. The EU is a club for democratic sovereign nations only.

Have you actually spent any time looking at these 13 changes enacted in Poland or are you just a foghorn, blaring at the behest of zerohedge once again?
"It is up to Poland to identify its own model for its justice system, but it should do so in a way that respects the rule of law," it said in a statement.


In other words, "rule of law" over Poland resides outside of Poland, and in the hands of non-Polish.

Whether I like or dislike the changes are completely irrelevant.
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"It is up to Poland to identify its own model for its justice system, but it should do so in a way that respects the rule of law," it said in a statement.


In other words, "rule of law" over Poland resides outside of Poland, and in the hands of non-Polish.

Whether I like or dislike the changes are completely irrelevant.
If you want to be a member of the club, you play by the club's rules, or you quit the club.

The benefits of membership come with the cost of membership.

To put it another way, if Poland (or any country) doesn't want to play by the EUs rules the option of leaving the EU and giving up the benefits is on the table. Poland wants to have their cake and eat it too.
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"It is up to Poland to identify its own model for its justice system, but it should do so in a way that respects the rule of law," it said in a statement.


In other words, "rule of law" over Poland resides outside of Poland, and in the hands of non-Polish.

Whether I like or dislike the changes are completely irrelevant.
It's not irrelevant at all what the changes are.
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If you want to be a member of the club, you play by the club's rules, or you quit the club.

The benefits of membership come with the cost of membership.

To put it another way, if Poland (or any country) doesn't want to play by the EUs rules the option of leaving the EU and giving up the benefits is on the table. Poland wants to have their cake and eat it too.
I agree, and it's what I am hoping for.

Polexit.
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European Union Building Its Own Army

On November 13, 2017, 23 out of 28 European Union (EU) states signed a declaration to create what is expected to form the nucleus of a joint European army. The five countries that won’t be taking take part are Great Britain, Denmark, Ireland, Malta, and Portugal, though Ireland previously expressed some interest in joining.

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The EU's Backdoor Path to a Unified Superstate

For years there has been a struggle in the Eurozone between those that want to transform it into a transfer union and those that who want a Europe of independent and cooperating countries. The latter including Austria, Finland, the Netherlands and Germany want strict limits for deficits and debt brakes as envisioned in the Fiscal Stability Treaty. Some, such as the European Constitutional Group, even demand a mechanism for an orderly break-up of the Eurozone. The former including Mediterranean member states led by France, do not openly call their objective a fiscal union or the creation of a “European Super State” but prefer to talk about a “deepening of the European project.” The reason for this division is straightforward: The central and northern European countries would be the contributors to a transfer union while the club Med would be on the receiving side.

After the forming of a new government in Germany, the French President Emanuel Macron has increased his pressure for the Club Med vision of Europe. The French President wants a European Minister of Economy and Finance, a own budget for the Eurozone, a harmonization of tax rates (i.e. a minimum rate for corporate taxes) , the transformation of the ESM into an EU institution and the completion of the banking union.

The debate conceals the fact that the Eurozone has already marched forward fatefully on its way towards a transfer union. De facto, the Eurozone constitutes already the most gigantic and inter-national transfer union of the world. The fulfillment of Macron´s plans would only consolidate, deepen, and reveal the transfer union intensifying the moral hazard.

Let us revise the redistributive and risk sharing mechanisms already in place in the Eurozone.

First, there is the European Stability Mechanism (ESM). The ESM is an European bailout fund with a capacity of €500 billion which was designed to bail out governments when the stability of the Eurozone as a whole is in danger. As irresponsible governments can get a reward for their behavior financed by less irresponsible governments there is redistribution and moral hazard.1

Second, the ECB has purchased government bonds through its public sector purchase program totaling €1945 bn. as of March 2018. The ECB, thereby, has become a hedge fund betting on the survival of the Euro. The ECB buys the bonds in function of the percentage that member states hold in the capital of ECB, i.e. independent of the bonds’ risks or the solvency of the issuing governments. Without the program less solvent governments would have had to pay higher interest on their bonds and might have had to default. When bonds will not be paid back in the future, the ECB suffers losses or the purchasing power of the euro falls, the losses may be ultimately shared by all Eurozone members.2

Moreover, there is the redistribution through the indirect monetization of government deficits, where “poorer” governments with higher deficits benefit on cost of countries with lower deficits. Banks can buy government bonds to pledge them as collateral at the ECB in order to receive new reserves allowing them to increase the money supply, effectively monetizing the government deficit and externalizing part of the costs on the rest of the Eurozone through a fall in the purchasing power of the euro. Through this mechanism it becomes beneficial to spend more and run higher deficits.

Furthermore, the ECB´s zero interest rate policy implies a redistribution from creditors to debtors. Net exporting nations such as Germany are normally also net creditors. German monetary savings totaled €5.858 bn. at the end of 2017. Returns on these savings have fallen, while at the same time debtors are paying less on their debts. Lower return on savings for the north prop up over-indebted governments in the south.

Third, the redistribution through credit expansion is not uniform across countries. This redistribution is reflected through the Target 2 system, which is the settlement system in the Eurozone. Imagine a Greek entrepreneur purchasing a truck produced in Germany with money created by his Greek bank out of thin air. When the entrepreneur pays the German exporter, his bank account shrinks and the money appears on the German bank account. In order to do the payment, the Greek bank draws on its account at the Greek National Bank or borrows new reserves from it. The German bank increases its account at the Bundesbank or reduces its refinancing. On the level of central banks the Bundesbank receives a credit against the ECB while the Greek National Bank gets a debit. Thus, the import of the truck is reflected in the Target 2 system.3 It is not financed by real savings, but just by money creation.

The credit the Bundesbank receives against the ECB is worthless because it cannot be redeemed into anything. Note, that this Greek overdraft account is unlimited. The Target 2 credits of the Bundesbank total more than €900 bn. today.

Thus, instead of issuing Euro bonds guaranteed by all member states and import goods, there is another way to achieve the same result. Greek banks can simply create money issuing Target 2 debits to the ECB in order to finance the importation of goods.

Fourth, the banking union implies a socialization of banks’ risks. As banks exist today in a kind of symbiosis with governments, the banking union indirectly implies a socialization of government debts. The Single Resolution Fund instituted in 2016 and to be completed by 2024 is funded by contribution of banks and serves to recapitalize struggling banks. According to the Bank Recovery and Resolution Directive, an insolvent bank first has to bail-in creditors, with a minimum of 8% of its total liabilities. Thereafter, the bank may tap the Single Resolution Fund (SRF) for a 5% increase in capital after which it may tap the ESM. The procedure implies a socialization of risks: When a bank engages in risky behavior, buys the bonds of its own government, and the government defaults, the bank can use the SRF and the ESM to make others pay for its risky behavior. Thus, a Eurozone government does not need to issue euro bonds to make others pay for its expenditure. Governments issue their bonds and have their own banks buy it and when they default others banks´ savers or the ESM will pay the bill (at least part of it).

In sum, euro bonds or a euro budget is not necessary to have massive redistribution in the Eurozone. The Eurozone is already a transfer union in which risks are socialized producing irresponsible behavior. However, the transfer union is not yet institutionalized and explicit. European elites are working on it.

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I have been reading about this all day from what little news there is. The UK banned the media from publishing stories on it. And Randian Objectivists of which I have been one since I was old enough to think for myself. George Orwell must be in his grave shaking his head. This is fucking horrifying.

I always was of the opinion that Israel needed our defense most as they are the border between radical Islam and the west. I have changed my mind. Israel can handle itself. The EU is where the fight is now. They are drowning in self-abasement and progressive appeasement. If they fall we are next. And we are falling prey to those who preach that Islam is a religion of peace. Yes the bible is very violent but the Koran in in72 different places states unequivocally that infidels must convert or be slaughtered like pigs. It also says gays must be killed, women are the slaves of men and they take it seriously. Genital mutilation and sewing vaginas shut because the men own them.

This case he was reporting on, from "outside the courthouse" mind you was about a Muslim rape game that had raped and killed many women according to Sharia Law. This poor bastard was was arrested, tried and sentence to a year in prison in a matter of hours. No due process. No legal trial. Just the Muslim sympathizers putting him in a prison where he will likely be killed by the Muslims he fought against. Despicable.

Not all Muslims are animals just as not all Christians are the Westboro Baptist Church but radical Islamist's are absolutely animals with a hatred for the west and the freedom we enjoy due to Aristotle, John Locke and the enlightenment. And the EU and the progressives here protect them with a fervor not seen in a long time.
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I have been reading about this all day from what little news there is. The UK banned the media from publishing stories on it. And Randian Objectivists of which I have been one since I was old enough to think for myself. George Orwell must be in his grave shaking his head. This is fucking horrifying.

I always was of the opinion that Israel needed our defense most as they are the border between radical Islam and the west. I have changed my mind. Israel can handle itself. The EU is where the fight is now. They are drowning in self-abasement and progressive appeasement. If they fall we are next. And we are falling prey to those who preach that Islam is a religion of peace. Yes the bible is very violent but the Koran in in72 different places states unequivocally that infidels must convert or be slaughtered like pigs. It also says gays must be killed, women are the slaves of men and they take it seriously. Genital mutilation and sewing vaginas shut because the men own them.

This case he was reporting on, from "outside the courthouse" mind you was about a Muslim rape game that had raped and killed many women according to Sharia Law. This poor bastard was was arrested, tried and sentence to a year in prison in a matter of hours. No due process. No legal trial. Just the Muslim sympathizers putting him in a prison where he will likely be killed by the Muslims he fought against. Despicable.

Not all Muslims are animals just as not all Christians are the Westboro Baptist Church but radical Islamist's are absolutely animals with a hatred for the west and the freedom we enjoy due to Aristotle, John Locke and the enlightenment. And the EU and the progressives here protect them with a fervor not seen in a long time.
The UK did no such thing as ban stories on the arrest of Robinson or the ensuing demonstration outside of Downing Street.

I don't know who told you that, but it's blatantly false, so let's try to not perpetuate that particular myth any longer. Furthermore, he was arrested and if he's been put in prison, it's because he is currently serving a suspended sentence. There isn't any shadowy game going on here. He wasn't put in jail by muslim sympathizers. I mean, for the love of Allah, where do you get your news from? I can only surmise that the sources you read are very right leaning to begin with.
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I knew you'd be the first one to jump to the UK's defense. But let's get one thing straight, I despise the right almost as much as the left. I'm neither liberal nor conservative and I get my news from many different sources.

The Hull Daily Mail scrubbed a story from their website stating Robinson was in Hull prison. It comes up in a Google news search but the link is a dead end.

This is from the Canada Free Press.

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U.K. right-wing activist and journalist Tommy Robinson was arrested and reportedly jailed Friday after he filmed members of an alleged child grooming gang entering a court for trial but the details of his purported sentence remain murky after the judge ordered the press not to report on the case. Robinson, the former head of the English Defense League and a longtime activist against Islam and Islamic migration, was arrested after he was filming men accused of being part of a gang that groomed children. Britain has been rocked by a series of child sex scandals perpetuated by gangs of predominantly Muslim men. Video shows Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Lennon, being surrounded by as many as seven police officers as he livestreamed the incident on his phone. The police informed him he was being arrested for “breach of the peace.But shortly after his arrest, a source with knowledge of the case told Fox News that he had been jailed for 13 months on a contempt-of-court charge. Dare we ask whether authorities seized the opportunity of arresting Robinson Friday for a contempt-of-court charge dating back to a year ago? A court listing indicated the case was “closed” by Friday afternoon.One source said he was jailed in Hull Prison. The prison declined to comment to Fox News on whether Robinson was there. Leeds Crown Court also did not return a request for information.What kind of police state have we become? Surely it matters to his loved ones and supporters into which jail Tommy has been thrown. According to The Independent, Robinson was already on a suspended sentence for contempt of court over a gang rape case in 2017.

“The judge in the case on Friday slapped a reporting ban on the case. The order bans reporters from reporting on a case if there is reason to believe the reporting could prejudice a trial. The order prevents reporting until the conclusion of the trial Robinson was reporting on. “The gag order led to news outlets in the U.K. removing their reporting from their websites to comply with the order. Most remaining reporting in the U.K. comments on Robinson’s arrest, but not on his purported sentencing. “Reaction to Robinson’s sentencing from commentators and right-wing politicians was fierce, particularly as it is the latest in a series of commentators particularly those who are critical of Islam and mass Islamic migration into the U.K. being locked up by British authorities." “What kind of police state have we become?” tweeted U.K. Independence Party leader and European MP Gerard Batten. “I am trying to recall a legal case where someone was convicted of a ‘crime’ which cannot be reported on,” he added. “Where he can be cast into prison without it being possible to report his name, offence, or place of imprisonment for fear of contempt of court.”
https://canadafreepress.com/article/...uthorities-owe

There's much more on that page about it also.

I suppose I got a little off topic by going into the nature of Islam. But does it not bother you that government officials ( judges) have been issuing gag orders for the media with considerable jail time for the consequence of defying it?

There is always hope for a country when free speech is protected. When it's abolished freedom is done for. Free speech is the most effective and often the last defense against tyranny.

I didn't know much about Free Speech protections in the UK until this episode so I looked into it and found this interesting.

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Yes, the British have freedom of speech. ... There is also no strict constitutional protection of free speech. Just about all laws and rights in the UK are enforced by act of Parliament, and thus can be withdrawn by a simple majority.
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https://www.quora.com/Do-the-British...edom-of-speech

Our founding fathers in the states knew the importance of protecting our innate rights from mob rule (read majority rule) and that is why we are a constitutional republic and not a democracy. It seems to me giving Parliament the ability to violate rights by majority vote is pretty bad system.

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