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Old 12-16-2017, 12:07 PM   #16
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And in today's Globalist Utopia news...

EU Gives Poland One Month Ultimatum, Threatens With "Article 7 Procedure"

The Vice-President of the European Commission, Frans Timmermans, escalated the diplomatic row between Brussels and Warsaw on Wednesday when he said that the EU was launching legal infringement proceedings and giving Warsaw a one month ultimatum over one of the recently passed reforms to Poland's court system, even as earlier in the week Poland's president Andrzej Duda vetoed two of the four controversial reforms to the judiciary.

The EU has taken issue with one particular legislation because it introduces different retirement ages for male and female judges, which the Commission claims is a breach of EU anti-discrimination law. The law would see female judges retire at 60 and males at 65. As a result, Timmermans gave Warsaw a one month ultimatum to alleviate its concerns over the rule of law before deciding on whether it would "escalate proceedings." Timmermans also said the approval of the remaining measures still undermined the independence of the country’s judges in defiance of EU law.

Brussels also sent a set of recommendations to Poland threatening that the country's voting rights could be suspended - under Article 7 of the EU treaty - if certain changes are implemented. Specifically, Polish authorities are warned not to take any measure to dismiss or force the retirement of Supreme Court judges.

“In this past week some things have changed in Poland and some have not”, said Mr Timmermans. Any move from Poland’s ruling Law And Justice Party (PiS) to force the resignation of the country’s judges would have the EU stand “immediately ready to trigger the Article 7 procedure”, added the commissioner. Invocation of Article 7 of the EU’s treaties would result in a formal warning to Warsaw – an unprecedented move that has yet to be taken against a member state government.

President Duda’s decision to block a portion of the reform bill followed mass public protests against the government’s attempt to take control of the judiciary. Of the two bills that have passed, one will hand power to Poland’s justice minister, who is also the prosecutor-general, to fire heads of the country’s lower courts. This bill has yet to be formally enacted, meaning the commission cannot start proceedings to challenge it in court. But Brussels can “pre-authorise” a challenge in the event that any of the bills is formally enacted during the commission’s summer break.

“The Commission’s hand is still extended to the Polish authorities, in the hope of a constructive dialogue”, added Mr Timmermans.

A quick overview of the EU's Article 7 procedure:

Article 7.1 of the Treaty on European Union provides for the Council, acting by a majority of four fifths of its members, to determine that there is a clear risk of a serious breach by a Member State of the common values referred to in Article 2 of the Treaty (see Annex II). The Commission can trigger this process by a reasoned proposal.



Annex II – Article 7 Treaty on European Union



1. On a reasoned proposal by one third of the Member States, by the European Parliament or by the European Commission, the Council, acting by a majority of four fifths of its members after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament, may determine that there is a clear risk of a serious breach by a Member State of the values referred to in Article 2. Before making such a determination, the Council shall hear the Member State in question and may address recommendations to it, acting in accordance with the same procedure.



The Council shall regularly verify that the grounds on which such a determination was made continue to apply.



2. The European Council, acting by unanimity on a proposal by one third of the Member States or by the Commission and after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament, may determine the existence of a serious and persistent breach by a Member State of the values referred to in Article 2, after inviting the Member State in question to submit its observations.



3. Where a determination under paragraph 2 has been made, the Council, acting by a qualified majority, may decide to suspend certain of the rights deriving from the application of the Treaties to the Member State in question, including the voting rights of the representative of the government of that Member State in the Council. In doing so, the Council shall take into account the possible consequences of such a suspension on the rights and obligations of natural and legal persons.



The obligations of the Member State in question under the Treaties shall in any case continue to be binding on that State.



4. The Council, acting by a qualified majority, may decide subsequently to vary or revoke measures taken under paragraph 3 in response to changes in the situation which led to their being imposed.



5. The voting arrangements applying to the European Parliament, the European Council and the Council for the purposes of this Article are laid down in Article 354 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...le-7-procedure

European Commission acts to preserve the rule of law in Poland

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-17-2161_en.htm

Listen up, Poland. Being a former Soviet Republic, you should understand how this works.

You are a sovereign nation in name only, OK? Your real government is Brussels, understand? It used to be Moscow, now it's Brussels.

You are actually a province of the EU, not a state with your own self rule. Get it?

Kind of like the "United States". They are sovereign states only on paper and in theory, they are not actually states, they are provinces of Washington, DC.

You are not free, Poland. This is not a voluntary association, you idiots. That was just a sales pitch. You now belong to us, the nationless, borderless, unelected corporate globalists.

Now behave, or the punishment will be severe....and just wait until we get our own EU Army to enforce our EU laws.
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You now get to live the dream that was promised by a unified Europe....how does it feel? Is it everything you hoped for? Does it feel good?

EU Triggers "Unprecedented Nuclear Option" Against Poland; Sanctions May Follow

Yesterday we reported that German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron had publicly agreed to back Article 7 proceedings against Poland for refusing to comply with EU immigration quotas and changes to its judicial system. The only thing that was missing was the official triggering of the so-called "nuclear option" Article 7.

On Wednesday morning, in a historic development - one which may herald the future fracturing of the EU - the European Commission launched an injunction against Poland for a "serious breach" of European common values and rule of law. The European Commission said it decided to take the next step in its infringement procedure against Poland for breaches of EU law by the Law on the Ordinary Courts Organisation, referring Poland to the EU Court of Justice. And while only a warning now, Article 7 could lead to sanctions and a suspension of EU voting rights.

The unprecedented measure was taken amid two-year tensions between the EU and Poland over the latter’s judicial reforms. The bloc is concerned over "a serious breach of the rule of law" in the country, saying the reforms resulted in “the absence of judicial independence.” "It is up to Poland to identify its own model for its justice system, but it should do so in a way that respects the rule of law," it said in a statement.

In a bizarre warning, European Council president Donald Tusk, who himself is a Polish citizen, said that "Poland is currently seen as a force for disintegration of the European Union (EU) and hence it is important to end the destruction of Warsaw's reputation."

In a statement posted on Twitter, the Commission said that "despite efforts for a constructive dialogue for 2 years, we have concluded that there is a clear risk of a serious breach of the rule of law in Poland."




"Judicial reforms in Poland mean that the country's judiciary is now under the political control of the ruling majority. In the absence of judicial independence, serious questions are raised about the effective application of EU law," the Commission added. One of the most worrying reforms in Poland, the Commission said, was the government's move to grant the president greater powers to appoint judges to the Supreme Court, whose duties include confirming election results.

Germany and France are expected to back the commission’s recommendation when member states vote next year, in what is a dramatic escalation in tensions over the minimum obligations of EU membership. One senior EU diplomat tolf the FT it was a momentous decision to “cross the Rubicon”.

When announcing the decision to launch the censure process against Poland, Commission Vice President Frans Timmermans said that the ruling Law and Justice party (PiS) had adopted 13 laws in the last two years that created a situation where the state "can systematically interfere with the composition, powers, the administration and the functioning" of the judiciary. Timmermans also accused Warsaw of ignoring three warnings by the EU executive that its judicial measures were undermining the rule of law. "At the end of the day it is only the law that can protect us against naked political power, at the end of the day it is the law that keeps the European Union together," he said.

"It is with a heavy heart that we have activated Article 7(1). But the facts leave us with no choice. We have no other option. This is not just about Poland, it is about the EU as a whole. We continue to hope that we can enter into a more fruitful dialogue" Timmermans tweeted.




EU member states must now decide by a two-thirds majority whether they agree with the Commission's recommendation to trigger Article 7. If agreed, Poland could see its voting rights suspended.

However, Poland also has three months to remedy the situation by implementing a series of recommendations by the Commission aimed at restoring judicial legitimacy.

Responding to the triggering of Article 7, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said that the country is “as devoted to the rule of law as the rest of the EU,” and called on the EU partners for open and honest dialogue. “I believe that Poland’s sovereignty and the idea of United Europe can be reconciled,” Morawiecki tweeted.

PiS spokeswoman Beata Mazurek dismissed the Commission's decision to trigger Article 7, saying the decision "had no merit" and that it was "solely a political decision." She also stated that the EU’s actions could be related to Warsaw’s opposition to accepting Muslim refugees, according to Reuters.

Polish Justice Minister Zbigniew Ziobro told Polish state news agency PAP that he is puzzled over the “politically motivated” decision, stressing Warsaw strictly adheres to EU laws. Ziobro, who also serves as chief prosecutor as part of the judicial reforms, said Poland's government "must continue the reforms." Poland's national-conservative government has justified the measures, claiming the courts need to change because they are inefficient and remain steeped in a communist-era mentality.

Siding with Poland, Hungarian Prime Minister Zsolt Semjen decried the Commission's decision, saying Budapest will "defend" Poland by vetoing any disciplinary measures.

Meanwhile, setting the stage for a conflict between Poland and Germany, as we reported previously and ahead of Timmerman's announcement, the German government said it would support the Commission if it decided to open proceedings against Poland. "If it comes to the decision we will support," German Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert told reporters on Wednesday morning. Earlier reports suggested that France would back the move.

The first step towards stripping Poland of its voting rights comes amid an ongoing dispute between Brussels and Warsaw. The EU says 13 reforms adopted by Poland in the space of two years have affected “the entire structure of the justice system” and enabled the executive and legislative branches “to politically interfere” with the judicial one.

The hostiel relationship between Poland and Brussels emerged earlier this year, when protests erupted over the efforts to change the judiciary system. Opposition parties, rights groups, judges' lobbies, the Council of Europe, the EU Commission, and European countries including Germany and France also said the proposed changes would erode judicial independence by bringing the courts under the direct control of the government.

Poland and the EU have also clashed over migration, as Warsaw has refused to accept migrants as part of a quota system devised during the European refugee crisis. Then-Prime Minister Beata Szydlo said in November that the decision has resulted in her country being seen as "a country free of terrorism."

Ironically, today's Aritcle 7 announcement will almost certainly end up being another typically European theatrical plot which goes nowehere fast: member EU states need unity to implement the sanctions, which have already been opposed by Hungary, who promised to veto any such move. Budapest has its own dispute with Brussels over migrant issues, with its PM Viktor Orban being one of the most vocal critics of mandatory migrant quotas. He has warned that quotas would result in “tens of millions” of migrants flocking to Europe.

In other words, if Europe wants to punish the vocal offenders, it would need a carve out for Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic, all of which are engaged in some spat with the EU.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...ons-may-follow

Poland, you are "in breech of the law"! Your attempts to exercise sovereignty will not be tolerated!
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Yeah, sorry. The EU is a club for democratic sovereign nations only.

Have you actually spent any time looking at these 13 changes enacted in Poland or are you just a foghorn, blaring at the behest of zerohedge once again?
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I voluntarily join a club.

The club has rules fro membership.

I break the rules.

I get kicked out of the club.

How is that an infringement on my sovereignty?
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I voluntarily join a club.

The club has rules fro membership.

I break the rules.

I get kicked out of the club.

How is that an infringement on my sovereignty?
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Yeah, sorry. The EU is a club for democratic sovereign nations only.

Have you actually spent any time looking at these 13 changes enacted in Poland or are you just a foghorn, blaring at the behest of zerohedge once again?
"It is up to Poland to identify its own model for its justice system, but it should do so in a way that respects the rule of law," it said in a statement.


In other words, "rule of law" over Poland resides outside of Poland, and in the hands of non-Polish.

Whether I like or dislike the changes are completely irrelevant.
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"It is up to Poland to identify its own model for its justice system, but it should do so in a way that respects the rule of law," it said in a statement.


In other words, "rule of law" over Poland resides outside of Poland, and in the hands of non-Polish.

Whether I like or dislike the changes are completely irrelevant.
If you want to be a member of the club, you play by the club's rules, or you quit the club.

The benefits of membership come with the cost of membership.

To put it another way, if Poland (or any country) doesn't want to play by the EUs rules the option of leaving the EU and giving up the benefits is on the table. Poland wants to have their cake and eat it too.
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"It is up to Poland to identify its own model for its justice system, but it should do so in a way that respects the rule of law," it said in a statement.


In other words, "rule of law" over Poland resides outside of Poland, and in the hands of non-Polish.

Whether I like or dislike the changes are completely irrelevant.
It's not irrelevant at all what the changes are.
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If you want to be a member of the club, you play by the club's rules, or you quit the club.

The benefits of membership come with the cost of membership.

To put it another way, if Poland (or any country) doesn't want to play by the EUs rules the option of leaving the EU and giving up the benefits is on the table. Poland wants to have their cake and eat it too.
I agree, and it's what I am hoping for.

Polexit.
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European Union Building Its Own Army

On November 13, 2017, 23 out of 28 European Union (EU) states signed a declaration to create what is expected to form the nucleus of a joint European army. The five countries that won’t be taking take part are Great Britain, Denmark, Ireland, Malta, and Portugal, though Ireland previously expressed some interest in joining.

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http://theantimedia.org/european-union-building-army/

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Who is this self-important instigating douche-bag, anyway?
Dude, Baron has been a valued member of this forum for quite some time.
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