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Old 01-12-2018, 04:03 PM   #196
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If my employee handbook says that I can't use gender identification pronouns, or use the word "black" to describe African Americans, is that reasonable, unreasonable..political?

If you are objecting to the CDC standards, which I presume you find unreasonable and political, we need to apply those standards across the board, right? Or...do we pick and choose different standards for different employers, or do we pick and choose what standards we like, and what standards we don't like, and apply them universally to all employers.
You are all over the place here, Baron. Do you not see the distinction between limitations motivated by political correctness and those motivated by political leanings?

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I'm trying to figure out where you're at implying that the CDC standards are unreasonable and political
No, you're playing word-games designed to obscure the point.

If you want me to believe this is incorrect, give me a legitimate, non-conservative basis for restricting the use of "fetus".

FWIW, the most germane response is that the "banned words" thing appears to to have been overblown (even according to CNN). But since that isn't where you've gone we'll proceed as if the original reporting was correct.
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Old 01-13-2018, 12:45 PM   #197
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Are you suggesting that "political correctness" is "not political"?

My answer is not all over the place, I think you are confusing two aspects of my views.

My glee at the CDC's muzzle order is just personal amusement. My stance on it, though, is that in an employer-employee scenario, the employer can make any reasonable rules and guidelines they like. The CDC is an employer-employee relationship.

My objection to the Twitter, et al censorship is not one of what Twitter has the right to do...they have every right to manage their service as they see fit. It is not, however, an employer-employee relationship, so in my mind, the two situations are not similar or analagous.

The Twitter censorship is one that affects the general public negatively that uses their service. They have every right to do it, but they should lay it out in their ToS and be honest about it. If there is certain content that they will not allow, or ban people for...it should be in the ToS. They should state clearly that certain points of view and certain topics, could lead to a suspension of use of the service, or something like that. It should state outright that content considered conservative or right wing could lead to suspension of services for the account in question.

More importantly, denying that such terms of service exist, when in fact they do, is a problem for me.

Other than that, they have every right to set whatever standards they like. It's a private entity.
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Old 01-13-2018, 01:31 PM   #198
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Are you suggesting that "political correctness" is "not political"?
Are you suggesting that because the same word appears in each phrase it makes the concepts identical?

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My glee at the CDC's muzzle order is just personal amusement. My stance on it, though, is that in an employer-employee scenario, the employer can make any reasonable rules and guidelines they like. The CDC is an employer-employee relationship.
Yes, the key word being "reasonable".

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My objection to the Twitter, et al censorship is not one of what Twitter has the right to do...they have every right to manage their service as they see fit. It is not, however, an employer-employee relationship, so in my mind, the two situations are not similar or analagous.
That they aren't analogous is besides the point. In both circumstances, political bias is being interjected onto a controlled space via limited language. The comparison requires no more similarity that that.

That said, you've explained why you see the situations differently, which is what I was asking for.
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Old 01-13-2018, 01:50 PM   #199
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Yes, the key word being "reasonable".
By "reasonable", I would define it very broadly. Basically, you can tell an employee to not use gender identification pronoouns, if you want, but you can't tell them to call black people that walk in "n*ggers" or something like that, even if you are a white supremacist army navy shop owner. And you can't tell your employees to refer to gay people as "f*gs".

By "reasonable", it would basically mean you cannot instruct your employees to do anything that might put them in civil or legal jeopardy, or endanger them in any way.

That's what I mean by "reasonable"...not some wishy washy, subjective, political opinion poll.

If you're employer says you have to talk like a pirate at work, that is a "reasonable" guideline. If an employer says you have to speak in the 3rd person like Bob Dole while at work, that is totally reasonable. If an employer says you can't say "President Trump", or "Global Warming", that is totally reasonable. It does not jeopardize the employee in any way to abide by those rules.
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I love the fact that at work, if I am having a conversation with someone and an uninvolved party walks by and "finds it offensive" that creates a problem for me. Such bullshit.
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Are you suggesting that "political correctness" is "not political"?

My answer is not all over the place, I think you are confusing two aspects of my views.

My glee at the CDC's muzzle order is just personal amusement. My stance on it, though, is that in an employer-employee scenario, the employer can make any reasonable rules and guidelines they like. The CDC is an employer-employee relationship.

My objection to the Twitter, et al censorship is not one of what Twitter has the right to do...they have every right to manage their service as they see fit. It is not, however, an employer-employee relationship, so in my mind, the two situations are not similar or analagous.

The Twitter censorship is one that affects the general public negatively that uses their service. They have every right to do it, but they should lay it out in their ToS and be honest about it. If there is certain content that they will not allow, or ban people for...it should be in the ToS. They should state clearly that certain points of view and certain topics, could lead to a suspension of use of the service, or something like that. It should state outright that content considered conservative or right wing could lead to suspension of services for the account in question.

More importantly, denying that such terms of service exist, when in fact they do, is a problem for me.

Other than that, they have every right to set whatever standards they like. It's a private entity.
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Ah, so it is there. Good enough for me.

At least we don't have to pretend that Twitter isn't biased any more.
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In undercover interviews with Twitter staff, Project Veritas has alleged that hundreds of employees are tasked with searching for graphic user photos. This data is then stored – indefinitely.

For anyone who thinks the information they send over Twitter is somehow protected from third-party snooping, think again. In a series of interviews caught on hidden camera in early January, Clay Haynes, senior network security engineer, dispels those notions once and for all.

“I’ve seen way more penises than I’ve ever wanted to see in my life,” Haynes confides to an undercover journalist with Project Veritas.

When asked to elaborate, Haynes says the graphic material is found on “DMs (direct messages), tweets…”

“Lots of d*cks,” he emphasized.

Interestingly, it is not the work of a robot to automatically single out the offensive content, but rather large teams of humans devoted to the task. “There’s teams dedicated to it,” Haynes confirms. “I mean, we’re talking, we’re talking three or four… at least, three or four hundred people.”

“Yes, they’re paid to look at d*ck pics.”


According to the founder of Project Veritas, James O’Keefe, users have no way to protect themselves from Twitter violations of privacy.

“Twitter has pages and pages of rules and requirements, including its comprehensive terms of service that protects Twitter from you,” O’Keefe noted. “But you have nothing that protects you from Twitter.”

This boils down to the ultimate question: How much information does Twitter have, and what are they doing with it?

According to another Twitter employee, a direct messaging engineer introduced as Pranay Singh, quite a lot.

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“I’m going to send it to your wife, she’s going to use it in your divorce,” he added, jokingly.

But as the axiom says, with every joke there is a hint of truth.

O’Keefe commented on this particularly jocular, cocky stance from many Twitter engineers, who “seemed to have a more cavalier attitude about user privacy. It is almost like the whole culture at Twitter is about abusing and laughing at users.”

Singh emphasized a terrible truth about all of the vast amounts of personal data that Twitter hoovers up on a daily basis: it never goes away. “Like, they are always on there,” Singh claims.

And this fits in with Twitter’s particular business model, which collects user information and sells it to businesses, advertisers, and other interested parties, it appears.

“Even after you send [the information], people are analyzing them, to see what you’re interested in, to see what you’re talking about, and they sell that data.” When asked to clarify what sort of information Twitter makes available, Singh said, “everything.”

Even direct messages are free game. As O’Keefe explained, “this is not your run-of-the-mill big data. This is personal and specific, and that has a high premium for advertisers.”

Another Twitter engineer, Mihai Florea, who has been with the company for three years, admitted that selling data to advertisers is “how we make most of our money.”

Florea said that users are “paying for the right to use our website with your data basically… And it’s the same way with every free website.”
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Twitter has rejected the claims put forward in the Project Veritas investigation.

"We do not proactively review DMs. Period," a company spokesperson told BuzzFeed. "A limited number of employees have access to such information, for legitimate work purposes, and we enforce strict access protocols for those employees."

It must be noted that the work of Project Veritas has not been without criticism for the methods it employs.

In 2010, O’Keefe was sentenced to three years’ probation, 100 hours of community service, and a $1,500 fine for entering then-Senator Mary Landrieu’s (D-La.) office on false pretenses.

O’Keefe and three colleagues were arrested by federal authorities at Landrieu’s office on allegations of phone-tampering.

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