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Old 08-16-2004, 09:24 PM   #31
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Can We Govern Without God?

Without who?

I don't think the word belongs in our pledge of allegiance or on our currency so I believe that we should govern....without god.

As far as the death penalty, don't give it to the ones that want it (see Timothy McVeigh). Make them do hard time with the big boys, it's much more difficult than taking the easy way out.
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Old 08-31-2004, 05:00 PM   #32
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The President can be a Sikh, a Baptist, a Jew, a Catholic, or any of a number of faith's, EVEN A NON BELIEVER , just as long as they don't use it as the basis for creating and validating policy.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....

The framers of the Constitution were pretty careful with the words they chose to use. Notice that the First Amendment specifically restricts Congress, the legislative branch of the federal government, in regards to passing laws regarding the establishment of religion.

There is no mention that the President can not, or should not, take his religious beliefs into account when forming and implementing his policies.

The Founding Fathers were, by and large, men with strong religious faith. They did not check their beliefs at the door when writing the documents that established our country. The Declaration of Independence states the belief that our rights are endowed by our "Creator", and that the whole reason for forming a government is to protect those rights.

I am not a religious person myself, but I do think it is generally a positive thing when a leader acts in a way that is consistent with his faith. It is a major part of who they are.....whether you're talking about George Bush or Joe Lieberman. The idea that such a person can totally ignore their religious beliefs when making important decisions is simply impossible. And it was certainly not what our Founding Fathers intended when they wrote the Constitution.
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Old 09-01-2004, 02:03 PM   #33
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Just because kids do something outside on Earth Day, are you actually claiming that they are being indoctrinated in some kind of Celtic Druidic/Wiccan rituals?
No. And that's not what I said.

I object to the common phraseology "Mother Earth," particularly with respect to our "duty" to said being/concept. Tell me how that isn't a religious concept.

Add to that the more obvious difference, that this is school enforced as opposed to being not only not enforced, but actually disallowed by the school...

Look, my point isn't that the kids are being indoctrinated. The point is this: "Mother Earth" is a central figure in Druidic and Wiccan thought/teachings. Keep "her" out of school, too. Earth day is fine.

Would you think it was fine to talk about Jesus the day before Christmas break? Just because a religion isn't considered mainstream doesn't exempt it from the distinction, if this is where we're going to make that distinction.
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