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Old 08-04-2004, 10:34 AM   #16
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Alright dammit - keep this kinda crap out of the politics thread. You might offend someone.



Seriously tho - good to have you guys around. Keep the posts a comin'.

lmao-I definitely deserved this.
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Old 08-04-2004, 01:16 PM   #17
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The primary reason for my voting against Bush is Supreme Court appointments. Justice Kennedy, the swing vote on a number of 5-4 social issues, is 80. The Court is already loaded with 6/9 Reagan/Bush, Sr. appointees and Bush has made it clear, governing as a right wing idealogue, what type of appointments he would make. There will likely be at least 3 of these in the next term. Their influence will be felt for 30 years.

For those of you who argue that Kerry is a "typical politician", I find that a little humorous given that Bush is the grandson of a Senator and the son of a President. His attempts at private business were disastrous -- he was bailed out by connections that other people wouldn't have.

If Kerry being "a typical politician" means that he puts his finger to the political winds, at least that has the effect of MODERATING his policy. The Bush administration has been the wet dream of the religious right and industrial polluters. They couldn't do better -- unless he gets a second term and doesn't have to worry about re-election.

I have been happy to vote for moderate Republicans in the past --John McCain & William Weld. But, when Weld was nominated to a national post, it was the Republican right that blocked it. Bush has governed like Jesse Helms.
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Old 08-04-2004, 06:07 PM   #18
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The primary reason for my voting against Bush is...
Seems pretty straight ahead to me. Not everybody that is voting for Kerry is doing so 'cuz they like Kerry. they just want Prez. Bush out of office.
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Old 08-04-2004, 06:39 PM   #19
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Seems pretty straight ahead to me. Not everybody that is voting for Kerry is doing so 'cuz they like Kerry. they just want Prez. Bush out of office.
Spuke -

It's not like you put yourself on the line by posting anything of substance, but your signature line, which you just edited, gave me an idea of where you're coming from.

You listed swiftboats.com, which is pure smear politics. The group features John O'Neill, who was originally recruited and funded by convicted felon Chuck Colson (paymaster for the Watergate burglers) and the Nixon White House to ruin Kerry's reputation when he came out against the war in 1971.

The group lists a number of soldiers from other swift boats who say that they felt that Kerry was "unfit for duty". Interestingly, none of them made this claim while they were serving with him -- all of them did so to discredit him after he came out against the war.

Also, the "handful of veterans" that Kerry "trots around the country for public appearances to sing his praises" are ALL of the ones who SERVED WITH KERRY on HIS swift boat. All the members of swiftboats.com are guys who served on OTHER BOATS, not Kerry's.

If you don't like Kerry, that's fine. But this website is no different than the allegations that Clinton ran a cocaine ring out of an air base in Arkansas and had his lawyer murdered. It's what some Republicans do when they're scared they're going to lose.
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How many people do you personally know who are better off now than they were four years ago?



How many of you think this country is on a track to leave greater opportunity and well being for their kids?

How many people think this country is stronger and safer than we have been throughout our lives?


How many think that health care, insurance and education are becoming more affordable and better working as systems?



I could go on, but it will all come down to the same point.

Staying the course means leaving a worse environment, more debt, more war, fewer jobs, less pay, less healthcare, worse education, and a sucky future for all.

Screw That!



This administration has to go.
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Old 08-08-2004, 10:31 AM   #21
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I'm voting for Bush... Kerry has already pledged to appease the U.N. before making any moves with our countries military. Quite honestly, I can't stomach putting our country's soveriegn right to defend itself in the hands of another lesser, jealous nation. Furthermore, I don't believe Kerry's claims of heroics during Vietnam.
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Old 08-08-2004, 10:39 AM   #22
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How many people do you personally know who are better off now than they were four years ago?
... I am...

But that's got nothing to do with Politics or the President. I worked hard. Plus I got rid of my ex-wife.
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That's confusing, the last Bush supporter said there is "no difference" in their foreign policy views, now you are saying they are 180 degrees in opposition to each other?

Which is it?
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Old 08-08-2004, 10:48 AM   #24
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... I am...

But that's got nothing to do with Politics or the President. I worked hard. Plus I got rid of my ex-wife.
Good answer, good move-I'm guessing on the latter.
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bush borrows too much money. all the republicans do. that is ronald reagans true legacy, $7 trillion in national debt. and bush won't stop it. they are out to destroy free speech also and are making it an arrestable offense to hold up a sign that spoils the president's tv appearances. I will vote for kerry, not that it matters. if he can't carry RI he will never win anyway. I will also vote for republicans at the local level because the democrats are such a bunch of crooks. { i remember ed diprete running as a reform candidate. }

when bush was in school he was an underachiever. when he was in business he pulled a martha stewart
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. when his country called for soldiers Bush dodged Vietnam by using powerful family friends to get into the Texas Air National Guard "Champagne Unit." .

when he is in government he borrows too much money, starts a war and now is trying to blame the cia for his failures - not that getting rid of saddam is a bad thing, but is it worth the price? and now that we have iraq, what do we do with it?

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Sweet merciful crap! Jim vh posts here?

What happened to your LOS analyses, Jimmy? I may have been in the minority, but I miss them. I find most statistical analysis useful.
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Sweet merciful crap! Jim vh posts here?

What happened to your LOS analyses, Jimmy? I may have been in the minority, but I miss them. I find most statistical analysis useful.
I stopped doing them a long time ago. the patriots weekly actually does them, and does them a lot better.
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How many think that health care, insurance and education are becoming more affordable and better working as systems?
I think it's fair to ask how this is being measured? Are we measuring these based on how much is being funded or on efficiency with the funds available? I do find it funny that most of the people who don't advocate Bush site education as a point of reform. That includes a lot of the Democrats in Washington. The majority of whom cite lack of funding as their primary complaint. The reality is the lack of funding in the scholl system has not gotten any worse. I think most agree that the "No child left behind" act has not yielded better results but it has proven that you can do more with less. Or at the very least do the same with less. So you can see why I think it's important to identify how these should be measured.
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The primary reason for my voting against Bush is Supreme Court appointments. Justice Kennedy, the swing vote on a number of 5-4 social issues, is 80. The Court is already loaded with 6/9 Reagan/Bush, Sr. appointees and Bush has made it clear, governing as a right wing idealogue, what type of appointments he would make. There will likely be at least 3 of these in the next term. Their influence will be felt for 30 years.

For those of you who argue that Kerry is a "typical politician", I find that a little humorous given that Bush is the grandson of a Senator and the son of a President. His attempts at private business were disastrous -- he was bailed out by connections that other people wouldn't have.

If Kerry being "a typical politician" means that he puts his finger to the political winds, at least that has the effect of MODERATING his policy. The Bush administration has been the wet dream of the religious right and industrial polluters. They couldn't do better -- unless he gets a second term and doesn't have to worry about re-election.

I have been happy to vote for moderate Republicans in the past --John McCain & William Weld. But, when Weld was nominated to a national post, it was the Republican right that blocked it. Bush has governed like Jesse Helms.
First, let me clarify that I inferred that both Bush and Kerry were typical politicians. There is MODERATING his policy and there is sitting on the fence on every issue (waffles are his choice of breakfast). Let's be adult enough to see the difference here. Moderating his policy might actually imply that his voting record would be something other than slanting to the left. Which it is not. Kerry claims to be a pundant of alternate energy sources but somehow finds a way to prevent windmills from being put on Nantucket and the Vineyard. Not that windmills are a bad idea per se so long as they aren't in his backyard. I'm sorry but that is neither moderating his policy or illustrative of his being in touch with the collective whole.
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