>
Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums and Message Boards

Home Members List Top Posters Arcade Casino Toolbar
Go Back   Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums and Message Boards > The Razor > Politics and Religion Forum
Mark Forums Read rel="nofollow">Mark Forums Read
Register All Albums FAQDonate Calendar

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-21-2004, 03:06 PM   #16
dchester
Snoop Dog
 
dchester's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Wistah
Posts: 22,355
Posting Frequency


Casino cash: $659486


dchester should plot to take over the world, they're that gooddchester should plot to take over the world, they're that gooddchester should plot to take over the world, they're that gooddchester should plot to take over the world, they're that gooddchester should plot to take over the world, they're that good
dchester should plot to take over the world, they're that gooddchester should plot to take over the world, they're that gooddchester should plot to take over the world, they're that gooddchester should plot to take over the world, they're that gooddchester should plot to take over the world, they're that gooddchester should plot to take over the world, they're that gooddchester should plot to take over the world, they're that gooddchester should plot to take over the world, they're that gooddchester should plot to take over the world, they're that gooddchester should plot to take over the world, they're that gooddchester should plot to take over the world, they're that gooddchester should plot to take over the world, they're that gooddchester should plot to take over the world, they're that gooddchester should plot to take over the world, they're that good
Quote:
Originally posted by Ballbustah
dchester
You really think Saddam had the power in his hands to cause havoc in the United States?
By himself, no. Although there was a time when didn't think that Osama could either. That's the tricky nature of these times, trying to avert risk while dealing with uncertainty.

The concern with Saddam was that he might provide assistance (like WMDs) to others that would attempt to do us harm. Obviously, Bush thought there was a credible risk. My question is, with the information we had at the time, was it credible to think that Saddam would have provided WMDs to terrorists, and how certain do you have to be of it before you act?

To illustrate this further, let me present a hypothetical (at least for now) scenario. North Korea has nuclear weapons, but we don't act on them. Why, because they understand that if they used them against us, they would not survive our response. Now let's say that we had evidence (not proof), that they were planning to ship a nuke over to Osama, or some other bozo in the Middle East, to eventually be used against us. To be more specific, let's say we have information (again, not proof), that the nuke was going to be placed on a specific ship headed for the Middle East, and the CIA rates the likelyhood of it being correct at about 50-50. Once the nuke (assuming it exists) gets to the Middle East, you will lose your ability to track it. What do you do if diplomacy fails? Would you have the Navy intercept the ship (an act of war) to inspect it? Do you just hope the intelligence is wrong (and it may be)? There are serious risks regardless of what you do. If that nuke ever made it to the US and went off, and later it came out that there was "intelligence" about it that wasn't "properly" acted on, that President would be held responsible and crucified in the media (and probably in history as well). And let's say you didn't care about history, could you live with yourself, if thousands of people died because you didn't take a chance and act when you had the chance? It's not an easy decision.

The deterrent that worked during the Cold War (the threat of retaliation), does not work so well with terrorists. This means you have to disrupt their ability to attack us. To me, it seems that pre-emptive actions will be required in some situations. Of course, the critical debate is over when.
________
iolite vaporizer
  dchester is offline Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2004, 04:02 PM   #17
Ballbustah
Registered User
 
Ballbustah's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Boston
Posts: 1,257
Posting Frequency


Casino cash: $10000


Ballbustah is an unknown quantity at this point
The Intelligence community relied on Saddam’s enemies to gather information on his WMD. The info they got from these people was grossly exaggerated.
I believed at one time that the WMD were there. They were there a dozen years ago…. Where did they go? They still may be buried somewhere in Iraq for all we know.

The availability of nuclear weapons to Iraq was never really a problem. Israel bombed their one and only nuclear plant back in the 80’s because of the danger of nuclear weapons.

As far as finding nuclear weapons they can be had from multiple sources from the former Soviet Republic. Certainly South Korea may be a source. There are millions of containers entering the US everyday. How are we to stop them… Are we to pre-emptively attack everyone on the Earth in hopes of curtailing a disaster? Where does real intelligence information start taking the place of guesses? When is it that we start knowing what is going on?
__________________
Beer & Football, Football & Beer.
  Ballbustah is offline Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Template-Modifications by TMS
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners. Patriots Planet is not affiliated with the NFL or with the New England Patriots. The views and opinions on this forum do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the owners and/or operators of this forum and website.