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Old 02-11-2019, 08:43 PM   #91
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From what I understand it's barely about the environment and is mostly a collection of intersectional gibberish.
Yeah and it's a complete and I mean complete socialist agenda. Taking over the means of production and much more.

It's a Trojan Horse that is wrapped in environmental policy. This is the product of 50 years of progressive education.
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Ferguson: Green New Deal "the language of countless student union resolutions, freighted with the pious verbiage of today’s 'intersectionality,' oblivious of the echoes of the totalitarian regimes of the past. . . . it is political suicide for the Democrats to embrace the campus socialism of AOC."
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The Green Movement has always been communist at it's core. After the 50's, it became dangerous to be communist in the US, so the Reds became Greens, using environementalism as the vehicle to accomplish the 10 planks.

Mind you, the average greenie doesn't consider themselves communist, and the average greenie has no idea the roots of the movement. They are just being the useful idiots they are. I say this as something of an environmentalist advocate myself, mind you....but since I don't advocate government takeover and control as the answer to everything, I am a renegade environtmentalist. The greenies are conditioned to trust government, and only government can be trusted. Obviously, that's not my cup of tea.

But, yes...the history of the modern environmental movement, say, since the 60's, shows that all of the early leaders of the movement were transplanted members of CPUSA or similar organizations that suffered under McCarthyism. They jsut shifted the message from "saving the proles and the workers" to "saving the planet"....but applying the same means and techniques.
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‘Green New Deal’ Could Plunge the World Into War: Part 1

The “Green New Deal” currently being promoted by socialist Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) will halve the U.S. military budget. The proposal, which enjoys support of more than 40 other Democratic representatives, is a plan to re-organize the U.S. economy along what is deemed to be ecologically sound lines.

If fully implemented, the Green New Deal will at best plunge the world into a massive war or, at worst, into an unprecedented permanent tyranny.

Unsurprisingly, the Communist Party USA (CPUSA) supports Ocasio-Cortez’s plan. After all, she is a member of the United States’ largest Marxist organization, the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), which is formally allied to the CPUSA through the Left Inside/Outside Project.

Cuts to Defense

The Green New Deal, described euphemistically by The New York Times as “a call to reimagine an environment-first economy that would phase out fossil fuels,” promotes massive government jobs programs, guaranteed incomes for all, and a whole raft of hugely socialist proposals.

These huge programs will be paid for out of the U.S. defense budget. The Green New Deal calls for cutting U.S. “military spending by at least half” and to close “800 [U.S. military] bases worldwide.”I'm on board for this part!

Right now, the neo-“Evil Axis” of China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran are re-arming at breakneck speed.

Beijing, for example, is openly threatening Taiwan, which is creating grave concern in South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Indonesia, the Pacific micro-states, Australia, and this author’s country of New Zealand. China is building around 60 military vessels a year right now. The United States is building less than 10 military vessels per year and, thanks to former President Obama, has the weakest Navy in decades.

The commander of the United States Indo-Pacific Command, Adm. Philip S. Davidson, stated in April 2018 that “China is now capable of controlling the South China Sea in all scenarios short of war with the United States,” during his Senate confirmation process.

If U.S. military spending was halved and all U.S. bases west of Pearl Harbor (maybe even including Pearl Harbor) were abolished, what would stop China from dominating the whole Asia-Pacific region? What would that do to U.S. trade relationships and national security capabilities?We could cut our defense spending in half, and still outspend China and Russia combined by 2 to 1.

Halving U.S. military spending almost guarantees an invasion of Taiwan and the extension of Chinese power right across the Asia-Pacific region. As China already has huge influence in South America and Africa, it would effectively deliver the Southern Hemisphere to China. Russia may not take advantage of U.S. impotence and re-conquer Europe, Iran may not attack Israel and Saudi Arabia, and North Korea may not join in the fun, but this author would not bet on it.

The Green New Deal may not give us World War III—but only because America will be too weak to fight back.

Communist Party USA Support

As mentioned previously, the neo-Evil Axis’s most reliable ally in the United States, the CPUSA, is heavily promoting the Green New Deal.

In a recent presentation to the CPUSA National Board, published online Jan. 7, party chairman John Bachtell urged comrades to get behind the Green New Deal. Bachtell told his comrades: “We have to be seen as being all in on this [Green New Deal] and publicly associated with it.”

Bachtell continued: “We have to think about the Peace New Deal [as well]. … This whole thing has to be connected with the demilitarization of the economy as well.”

Bachtell told the comrades that DSA member Joe Uehlein of the far-left Labor Network for Sustainability, a major backer of the Green New Deal project, estimated the cost of eliminating fossil fuels and implementing a sustainable-energy-only policy would cost up to $10 trillion, which Bachtell explained would come from the “demilitarization of the economy.”

$10 trillion would cover all current U.S. military spending for a decade. As the Green New Deal is supposed to be implemented by 2030, this proposal would mean that the U.S. military budget would be virtually eliminated. That doesn’t even account for the colossal drop in industrial production and trade that would inevitably occur.

The Green New Deal would effectively end the U.S. military as an effective fighting force and spell the end of NATO and all other Western military alliances.

Would China and its neo-Evil Axis partners sit back while all this unfolded, or would they take advantage of the opportunity to expand their economic and military influence at the United States’ expense?

Considering that the CPUSA is loyal to China, and not to the United States, their support for the Green New Deal is a given. Consider the words from a CPUSA advertisement for a meeting at the Niebyl-Proctor Marxist Library in Oakland, California, held on Dec. 4, 2010:

“The United States government has been committing direct acts of provocation against China’s economy, and other aspects of its society, including its military. … If these confrontations are allowed to become full-blown, it … will demand from all of us new energies on yet another—perhaps the biggest—domestic front against U.S. Imperialism.”

In other words, if the United States gets into a shooting war with China, the CPUSA will work on U.S. soil to help America’s enemy. Of course, this is the very definition of treason.

If the CPUSA is willing to work for China during war-time, why would they not work in peace-time to sabotage the U.S. economy, or to destroy the U.S. military to the benefit of their masters in Beijing?

Bachtell also told the CPUSA National Committee earlier this month that the Green New Deal is “potentially the embarking point for our path to a sustainable socialist society.”

Bachtell claimed that the idea could “frame the entire debate for the 2020 elections.” Also, that it could “isolate the right-wing” and that this, according to Ocasio-Cortez, could “spell the doom of the Republican Party.”

If the DSA and the CPUSA succeed in forcing the Democrats into implementing the Green New Deal, the ramifications are inconceivable. America would cease to be America and would become ripe fruit to be picked by China, Russia, Iran, and/or North Korea.

The Green New Deal is a national suicide pact.

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The Red Roots of the ‘Green New Deal’: Part 2

Calls for a “Green New Deal” are rapidly building on the U.S. left. Promoted by openly socialist congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), the proposal calls for mass wealth redistribution, a federal jobs program, socialized health care, guaranteed minimum incomes, and the elimination of all fossil fuels from the U.S. economy by 2030, all in the name of fighting “climate change.”

In reality the Green New Deal is a deeply socialist plan formulated and promoted by bona fide communist groups.

The Green New Deal, which only a few years ago would have been labelled as crackpot utopianism, is heralded on the left as a serious program for addressing environmental issues and social inequalities.

So far, more than 45 leftist Democrats in Congress have endorsed the project, including likely 2020 presidential candidates Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and declared presidential candidates Sens. Kamala Harris (D.-Calif.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.). Former presidential candidate Al Gore has called the Green New Deal “part of the answer to global inequality.”Of course...Al Gore wants his Carbon Credit Exchange so he can make billions...that's "the other part".

So far House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has balked at Ocasio-Cortez’s call for a Congressional Select Committee on the Green New Deal—but the idea still has momentum.

Christy Goldfuss, who was the managing director of the Council on Environmental Quality under President Barack Obama and now leads the energy and environmental team at the Democratic Party’s think tank the Center for American Progress, told the New Yorker that she had noticed the Green New Deal’s influence on senior Democrats.

“People are asking how are we going to address climate change at scale, not what’s our building-block approach,” Goldfuss said. “For me, that is a huge, huge shift, and it would not have happened if the Green New Deal had not come along.”

The Green New Deal, which “has come to define the progressive cause in Washington,” according to the New Yorker, has existed in several forms for years. The proposal echoes a United Nations Environment Program (UNEP) report from October 2008, when UNEP’s Executive Director Achim Steiner unveiled the Global Green New Deal initiative, which aimed at transforming the world’s economy and combating climate change through creating jobs in “green” industries. The Green Party USA has also promoted a Green New Deal, which includes massive defense cuts, for several years.

Significantly, the Manhattan-based Rosa Luxemburg Stiftung (RLS) has discussed the concept since at least 2013.

“A Green New Deal is concerned with a just transition to a more sustainable economy, with improved provision of public services, and with strict regulation of polluters and financial speculators. While there is much promise in this approach, it contains unresolved contradictions and has been blocked by hostile forces. Moreover, it is unclear whether this agenda is adequate to the challenge posed by climate change,” stated the introduction to an RLS report.

“Building green socialism may be the only way to emerge from this time of crisis with a society that treads lightly on the earth while enabling a full range of human flourishing.”

The RLS is the American affiliate of the Berlin-based Rosa Luxemburg Foundation, a wholly owned affiliate of German political party Die Linke (The Left)—a direct descendant of the former Stalinist East German Communist Party. The RLS works closely with the United States’ largest Marxist organization, the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), and the pro-China Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO), as well as the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), all of which are fully behind the Green New Deal.

Who’s Behind the Green New Deal?

The current Green New Deal exists in its “most authoritative form” as an 11-page Google Doc, according to the New Yorker: “The document was written over a single December 2018 weekend by the staff of the freshman representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and three like-minded progressive groups: the Sunrise Movement, a grassroots climate organization; the Justice Democrats, which recruits and supports progressive candidates; and an upstart policy shop called the New Consensus.”

All three of these groups are spin-offs of a New York City-based revolutionary training organization called “Momentum.”

According to Momentum’s website: “We see two dominant traditions of organizing in the United States: structure-based organizing and mass protest. In the structure-based tradition, developed by Saul Alinsky and others, organizers start with one-on-one relationships to develop leadership and build a base that can advocate for the needs of particular constituencies. Structure-based organizations, such as community organizations and labor unions, make instrumental demands, using the base’s leverage over policymakers to win concrete reforms for their members. By contrast, in the mass protest tradition, autonomous groups of individuals create polarizing moments that inspire thousands of unaffiliated people to take to the streets around symbolic, popular social issues.

“The Momentum model fuses the strengths of the structure-based organizing and mass protest to seed a new tradition of organizing in the United States. Momentum synthesizes the lessons of various 20th century movements, including the Color Revolutions of Eastern Europe and the Arab Spring in North Africa.”

Momentum boasts of training activists from groups “doing some of the most important movement-building” in the United States, including “Black Lives Matter, Dream Defenders, BYP100, United We Dream, Showing Up For Racial Justice, 350.org, National People’s Action, PICO, and more.” All of these groups are front groups or close affiliates of the FRSO.

The Sunrise Movement, with established groups in several major cities, is the main cheerleader for the Green New Deal. Sunrise has heavily recruited activists from the DSA- and FRSO-affiliated groups, such as the Pennsylvania Student Power Network.

For instance, Stephen O’Hanlon is a former member of the Pennsylvania Student Power Network and founder and national field director of the Sunrise Movement.

The Sunrise Movement is openly endorsed by the DSA and several FRSO-affiliated groups, including Bay Area-based Green For All, which was founded by one-time Maoist and former Obama administration “green jobs czar” Van Jones.

The Justice Democrats, then co-run by Ocasio-Cortez (before she decided to run for Congress and join the DSA), backed dozens of far-left Democrats in the last election cycle, electing seven of them. Over 40 percent of their 78 endorsed candidates were either DSA members or endorsees. Several more were from the FRSO or CPUSA orbits.

The Justice Democrats also partnered closely with Brand New Congress, which is governed largely by DSA members.

New Consensus provides the theoretical backbone for the Green New Deal.

According to E&E News: “A policy group is being formed to support an energized progressive movement that’s taken Capitol Hill by storm under the leadership of Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.).

“It’s called the New Consensus.

“The 501c(3) nonprofit is in the process of being formed to provide a policy platform that will underpin the ambitious—and increasingly politically popular—Green New Deal aimed at weaning the United States off fossil fuels, boosting renewables and clean energy jobs, and building a ‘smart’ grid.

“Front and center will be Rhiana Gunn-Wright, a 29-year-old Yale graduate and Rhodes scholar who will serve as the group’s policy director working to flesh out details of the plan.“

Gunn-Wright was a policy team intern for former first lady Michelle Obama. In 2018, she served as policy director for the far-left Abdul El-Sayed in his unsuccessful gubernatorial run in Michigan. Gunn-Wright put together a “uniquely comprehensive suite of policy proposals, including a commitment to establishing a $15 minimum wage; tuition-free college for Michiganders with family income under $150,000; aggressive criminal justice reform; and the most detailed state-level single-payer health care plan ever,” according to The Intercept.

El-Sayed’s Deputy Campaign Manager Claire Sandberg traveled to Germany in September 2018 with DSA member and RLS staffer Winnie Wong. The pair held a meeting in the German Bundestag with members of the crypto-communist organization Die Linke.

Sandberg was also a founder of another short-lived Momentum spinoff, “We Will Replace You,” which aimed to target “centrist” Democrats not on board with the far-left’s agenda. One of her fellow co-founders, Waleed Shahid, was a Momentum leader, spokesman for the Justice Democrats, and served as policy director on Cynthia Nixon’s DSA-endorsed campaign for governor of New York.

FRSO General Secretary Sendolo Diaminah served as an official “adviser” to We Will Replace You.

The Green New Deal is a thoroughly socialist program conceived of and promoted by communists.

The DSA, FRSO, and CPUSA are all behind the Green New Deal. Even the Stalinist League of Revolutionaries for a New America, which supports North Korea, Iran, and the Russian annexation of part of the Ukraine, has backed the plan.

It’s not surprising that communists are behind the Green New Deal. What is shocking is how many Democrats are willing to run with it. Some are even saying it will feature heavily in their 2020 campaign.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-re...2_2784906.html

To be honest, I think AOC and her wacky socialist allies (Sorry, Ed Markey...you're a really nice guy, and I think you've got a good heart, but you are on the looney side), may do more to re-elect Donald Trump than the Maistro himself.

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I mean, the resolution states that income inequality is a related crisis to climate change, so there's no getting around it. I'm just having a hard time figuring out why I didn't make the connection before now.

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Old 02-14-2019, 08:48 AM   #103
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This was a brilliant move by McConnell and I didn't think he had any brilliant moves in him.
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This was a brilliant move by McConnell and I didn't think he had any brilliant moves in him.
Completely agree.
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