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Old 05-22-2020, 10:18 PM   #2161
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Granddaughter number 2 was allowed, to tell us something she wasn’t allowed to say Normally today. Her response Covid 19 is BS she use the word she’s 7 lol. Not that it’s not real just the reaction was BS.

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Wait. Isn't Florida God's Official Waiting Room???

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Sure supposed to be.

But.... those numbers? And with that elderly population?

But....how?
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Old 05-22-2020, 10:36 PM   #2162
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Whitmer extends Michigan's stay-at-home order until June 12

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Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer extended her stay-at-home order Friday to June 12, her fifth extension of a mandate that has put her at odds with Republican lawmakers and has been the subject of mounting criticism and anti-lockdown protests.

The order, called "Safer at Home," will extend temporary business closures and movement restrictions in an effort to combat the coronavirus pandemic. Whitmer also extended her state of emergency through June 19, WJBK-TV reported. In a statement, she said that while COVID-19 cases and deaths are declining, "we are not out of the woods yet."

"If we’re going to lower the chance of a second wave and continue to protect our neighbors and loved ones from the spread of this virus, we must continue to do our part by staying safer at home,” the Democrat Governor said.

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“If we open too soon, thousands more could die and our hospitals will get overwhelmed," she said. "While we finally have more protective equipment like masks, we can’t run the risk of running low again. We owe it to the real heroes on the front lines of this crisis -- our first responders, health care workers and critical workers putting their lives on the line every day -- to do what we can ourselves to stop the spread of the virus.”

The move comes a day after a court ruled Whitmer has the authority to keep Michigan under a state of emergency without approval from lawmakers. Republican lawmakers had legally challenged the order.

In recent days, she has relaxed the stay-at-home order -- in place since March -- to allow for social gatherings of 10 people or less and allowing retail businesses to reopen for appointment-only shopping. On Friday, businesses in the Upper Peninsula and other parts of the state were allowed to operate in a limited capacity, the news station reported.

The mandate comes at a time when many states have begun to reopen their economies. Some have eased their orders or lifted them entirely. In a tweet, Michigan Republican Party Chair Laura Cox criticized the timing of the extension.


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"Not only is Gretchen Whitmer going around the state Legislature with her stay-at-home orders, but now she is sneaking around the people of Michigan by announcing an extension to her stay at home order after regular business hours on a holiday weekend," Cox tweeted. "The only thing she is trying to keep safe is her political career."

As of Friday, Michigan reported nearly 54,000 COVID-19 cases, including 5,518 deaths, according to the state Department of Health and Human Services.
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As time goes on, I am seeing more adverse affects caused by the shutdowns.

Last week, I tried to converse with a man who responded by telling me that he couldn't hear what I was saying because something was wrong with his hearing aids and he hasn't been able to get an appointment to get them fixed.

Yesterday, I watched a news segment discussing how recovering alcoholics can still purchase alcohol, but can't attend any support meetings.

We often tend to live in our own little bubble where we don't think about things like the deaf man or the recovering alcoholic. At least, that's the case for me. I can often see the bigger picture, but not the smaller pictures that can add up to ruin the lives of others.

As for the nursing home stories that continue to be told, I have grown more and more disgusted as I learn of other states that forced COVID positive patients into those facilities.

We were told from the very beginning that COVID was the most fatal for the elderly and those with underlying conditions. So, one doesn't have to be smarter than a fifth grader to know that putting COVID positive patients inside a facility where the majority of others are elderly with underlying conditions is a death sentence.

I believe that Cuomo and others are smarter than a fifth grader. So, my only conclusion is that they didn't give a damn. Or, should I say that they "didn't give two rats' asses" like Dr. Barbot told the NYPD in response to their request for more face masks.

And, what's with the two rats? In Indiana, we just say "a rat's". Are the two rats an east coast thing? Or is it that NY has such a surplus of rats that they are giving two where Indiana is only giving one?
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As time goes on, I am seeing more adverse affects caused by the shutdowns.

Last week, I tried to converse with a man who responded by telling me that he couldn't hear what I was saying because something was wrong with his hearing aids and he hasn't been able to get an appointment to get them fixed.

Yesterday, I watched a news segment discussing how recovering alcoholics can still purchase alcohol, but can't attend any support meetings.

We often tend to live in our own little bubble where we don't think about things like the deaf man or the recovering alcoholic. At least, that's the case for me. I can often see the bigger picture, but not the smaller pictures that can add up to ruin the lives of others.

As for the nursing home stories that continue to be told, I have grown more and more disgusted as I learn of other states that forced COVID positive patients into those facilities.

We were told from the very beginning that COVID was the most fatal for the elderly and those with underlying conditions. So, one doesn't have to be smarter than a fifth grader to know that putting COVID positive patients inside a facility where the majority of others are elderly with underlying conditions is a death sentence.

I believe that Cuomo and others are smarter than a fifth grader. So, my only conclusion is that they didn't give a damn. Or, should I say that they "didn't give two rats' asses" like Dr. Barbot told the NYPD in response to their request for more face masks.

And, what's with the two rats? In Indiana, we just say "a rat's". Are the two rats an east coast thing? Or is it that NY has such a surplus of rats that they are giving two where Indiana is only giving one?
I can’t help but think of the kids. Think of the kid trapped in a hell hole of abuse. Physical. Sexual. Mental. No their only reprieve - the escape to school and fun and learning - taken away. Compound with the likelihood the monster isn’t essential and all trapped 24/7.

The damage done from this archaic lockdown/shutdown will far exceed the healthy lives lost.

Nursing homes? Hang on for next post.

Rats? I don’t know. Takeoff on “buy one get one free”?

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Bombshell report on NY nursing home policy overlooked in Gov. Cuomo's daily press conference

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Reporters at Andrew Cuomo’s daily press conference on Friday failed to ask the New York governor about a scathing Associated Press report, published just hours prior, that was highly critical of the way in which Cuomo had handled the state’s nursing home coronavirus crisis. It was the latest instance of what critics say is the mainstream press' unwillingness to ask the popular governor any tough questions about the decisions he has made during the pandemic, in which his state has seen by far the most reported cases and deaths in the United States.

According to the new report, more than 4,300 coronavirus-infected elderly patients were sent to "New York’s already vulnerable nursing homes" under Cuomo's directive, in order to free up hospital beds.

Cuomo was all smiles for his daily news conference on Friday, when he opened with a tidbit about upcoming Memorial Day celebrations in New York.

NURSING HOME CORONAVIRUS: DO FAMILIES HAVE LEGAL RECOURSE?

Cuomo also urged reporters to guess the number of people who have logged onto a government website to vote on the best pro-mask promotional video. In the process, he sarcastically referred to the press as “geniuses” and joked that a specific reporter always asks “annoying” questions.

The governor was asked about reopening New York, Memorial Day weekend beach policies, whether or not the state should legalize marijuana and sports gambling and the state’s COVID-19 death count – but not the nursing home crisis or the AP’s bombshell report.

DePauw University professor Jeffrey McCall penned a column for The Hill last month noting that Cuomo was the “appointed darling to step into the ring and serve as pugilist against Trump” during the coronavirus pandemic.

“Since that is now the narrative, the media can't reverse course to hold Cuomo accountable without having to scrape the egg off their collective faces,” McCall told Fox News after the governor wasn’t asked about the AP report on Friday.

GOV. ANDREW CUOMO GETS A PASS FROM CNN ON NURSING HOME POLICY CONTROVERSY

“Cuomo continues to get largely Teflon treatment. It is interesting to note that reporters get in line at Trump press conferences to ask him challenging questions and then get applauded by their journalistic peers,” McCall added. “But they largely cower in front of Cuomo and are afraid to break ranks with their reporter colleagues.”

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Cuomo was fawned over by the mainstream media in the early weeks of the coronavirus pandemic. MSNBC’s Joy Reid said, “In a way, he is the president,” when praising Cuomo’s leadership, while The Washington Post compared his leadership traits to those of Franklin D. Roosevelt. CNN’s Chris Cillizza even boasted that many see him as the “reassuring face of America’s fight against the coronavirus.”

But recently, his March decision to admit patients who had coronavirus into his state's nursing homes has come under scrutiny.

USA Today opinion columnist Glenn Harlan Reynolds wrote on Thursday that Cuomo “does not deserve kudos for his COVID-19 policies” because he “put the elderly at great risk.”

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Then on Friday the AP published its damning report that over 4,300 coronavirus-infected patients were sent to “New York’s already vulnerable nursing homes under a controversial state directive.”

“Nursing home administrators, residents’ advocates and relatives say it has added up to a big and indefensible problem for facilities that even Gov. Andrew Cuomo – the main proponent of the policy – called 'the optimum feeding ground for this virus,'” the AP wrote.

Cuomo eventually reversed his controversial decision, which was initially designed to place coronavirus patients in nursing homes in order to free up hospital beds, but not until thousands of deaths occurred inside the Empire State’s nursing homes. The AP noted that Cuomo has still not taken responsibility for his directive that originally declared no resident could be denied admission to a nursing home solely based on confirmed or suspected COVID-19.

CNN'S CHRIS CUOMO DOES PROP COMEDY WITH NY GOV. ANDREW CUOMO, FAILS TO ASK ABOUT NURSING-HOME CONTROVERSY

“He continued to defend it this week, saying he didn't believe it contributed to the more than 5,800 nursing and adult care facility deaths in New York — more than in any other state — and that homes should have spoken up if it was a problem,” the AP wrote.

Indeed Cuomo has previously downplayed or dismissed the few questions he has received about his nursing home policies.

“People rationalize death in different ways… I don’t think there is any logical rationale to say they would be alive today,” Cuomo said on Sunday when asked if lives would have been saved if the policy were reversed earlier.

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On Wednesday, Cuomo was asked if he believed his policy of forcing nursing homes to accept infected patients contributed to the death toll. “No,” he said, indicating that New York followed President Trump’s CDC guidance.

“They should ask President Trump," Cuomo said.

The Associated Press noted Cuomo's response in its report.

“Cuomo has deflected criticism over the nursing home directive by saying it stemmed from Trump administration guidance. Still, few states went as far as New York and neighboring New Jersey, which has the second-most care home deaths, in discharging hospitalized coronavirus patients to nursing homes,” the AP added.

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I know a guy who did a couple of tours in Afghanistan and came back with some major PTSD and got hooked on opiates. He'd been clean and sober for his longest stretch prior to the lockdown and without the meetings he backslid and very near died alone after he was found on the floor of his apartment.

Can you directly blame that on the Covid? Nope, but it's a likely contributor.

I don't know anybody that is thriving on this shit except for the media. They are having a blast.
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I know a guy who did a couple of tours in Afghanistan and came back with some major PTSD and got hooked on opiates. He'd been clean and sober for his longest stretch prior to the lockdown and without the meetings he backslid and very near died alone after he was found on the floor of his apartment.

Can you directly blame that on the Covid? Nope, but it's a likely contributor.

I don't know anybody that is thriving on this shit except for the media. They are having a blast.
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I know a guy who did a couple of tours in Afghanistan and came back with some major PTSD and got hooked on opiates. He'd been clean and sober for his longest stretch prior to the lockdown and without the meetings he backslid and very near died alone after he was found on the floor of his apartment.

Can you directly blame that on the Covid? Nope, but it's a likely contributor.

I don't know anybody that is thriving on this shit except for the media. They are having a blast.
It’s the politicians and their lockdowns. Has Georgia slid back into this devastating Phase II wave? Texas? No. So what’s driving the disparity in the decision making?

Hmmmm....one wonders.
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Democrat Beto O’Rourke tried to get the upper hand late Friday, mocking the gradual reopening of the Texas economy from coronavirus shutdowns as “Dangerous, dumb and weak.”

But at least two Texas Republicans weren’t having it.

Rep. Dan Crenshaw and Sen. Ted Cruz each fired back at O’Rourke, the former congressman from El Paso who failed to unseat Cruz in 2018 and then ran an unsuccessful bid for the Democratic Party’s 2020 presidential nomination.

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O’Rourke’s Twitter post was a reaction to a tweet by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, who touted the Lone Star State’s reopening plan as “Safe, Smart, and Strong.”

“Dangerous, dumb and weak,” O’Rourke wrote in retweeting Abbott’s message.


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Crenshaw derided O’Rourke’s post as “a condescending reaction.”

“The guy who wanted to be Texas’s Senator truly believes Texans can’t make decisions for themselves and that they are ‘dumb and weak’ for living their lives and trying to feed their families,” Crenshaw wrote.

“And yes, he’s talking to all Texans, not just our governor,” Crenshaw added. “Governor Abbott can’t force anyone to go back to work. Texans are choosing to do that, despite what people like Beto scream from their ivory towers.”


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In a separate tweet, O’Rourke accused Crenshaw of “getting rich selling his own book to the GOP (and being Trump’s most reliable enabler in the House).”

O’Rourke then asked his Twitter followers to donate to Crenshaw’s election opponent, Democrat Sima Ladjevardian, a Houston attorney.

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“Millionaires fundraising for millionaires,” Crenshaw responded. “All while telling middle-class Texans they’re ‘dumb and weak’ for wanting to get back to work.”


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Crenshaw, who served in Afghanistan as a Navy SEAL, then invited his Twitter followers to donate to his campaign.

In more commentary on the Texas reopening plan, O’Rourke retweeted a Washington Post story that said Texas recently reported new single-day highs in both coronavirus infections and deaths.

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“Despite what Trump & co. (Abbott & Patrick) say, stay home if you can & wear a mask if you have to go out. It will save lives,” O’Rourke wrote.

Last week Gov. Abbott outlined Phase II of the Texas reopening plan. It permits child care centers, massage and personal care spas and youth clubs to reopen May 18; bars, bowling alleys, bingo halls and other entertainment venues to resume operations May 22 – with restaurants at 50 percent of capacity – and sets a May 31 reopening date for youth camps and sporting events.

As of early Sunday, Texas – the nation’s No. 2 most populous state, with about 29 million residents – ranked No. 15 with about 1,400 coronavirus deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Dom Calicchio is a Senior Editor at FoxNews.com. Reach him at dominick.calicchio@foxnews.com.
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Dr. Atlas on coronavirus lockdowns: 'The policy ... is killing people'

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Coronavirus lockdowns may be "killing" just as many people as the virus because many people with serious conditions unrelated to the virus have been skipping treatment, Hoover Institution senior fellow Dr. Scott Atlas said Saturday on "Fox Report."

"I think one thing that's not somehow receiving attention is the CDC just came out with their fatality rates," Atlas said. "And lo and behold, they verify what people have been saying for over a month now, including my Stanford epidemiology colleagues and everyone else in the world who's done this analysis -- and that is that the infection fatality rate is less than one-tenth of the original estimate."

Even White House coronavirus task force member Dr. Anthony Fauci is acknowledging the harm caused by the lockdown, Atlas said.

"The policy itself is killing people. I mean, I think everyone's heard about 650,000 people on cancer, chemo, half of whom didn't come in. Two thirds of cancer screenings didn't come in. 40 percent of stroke patients urgently needing care didn't come in," Atlas said. "And now we have over half the people, children in the United States not getting vaccinations. This is really what [Fauci] said was irreparable harm."

"And I and my colleagues from other institutions have calculated the cost of the lockdown in terms of lives lost," Atlas said. "Every month is about equal to the entire cost of lives lost during the COVID infection itself. This is a tragic, misguided public policy to extend this lockdown, whether or not it was justifiable in the beginning."

Many states are currently reopening their economies slowly, while a few have pledged to extend the lockdowns through the summer.


The doctor also argued against keeping children out of schools, saying there's no reason they can't go back.

"There's no science whatsoever to keep K-through-12 schools closed, nor to have masks or social distancing on children, nor to keep summer programs closed," Atlas said. "What we know now is that the risk of death and the risk of even a serious illness is nearly zero in people under 18."
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Second NYC field hospital dismantled, despite bed threshold needed to reopen amid coronavirus pandemic

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Officials announced Friday that the Brooklyn Field Hospital in New York City will be dismantled, despite state criteria that a certain number of beds be available to handle any potential influx of patients stemming from the novel coronavirus outbreak as the region looks to reopen.

The City first reported on the closure of the $21 million facility that was pushed forward by Democrat Mayor Bill de Blasio back in March. De Blasio announced plans on March 31 to transform the Brooklyn Cruise Terminal in Red Hook into a hospital that would be able to accommodate 670 beds for coronavirus patients. The hospital will now reportedly close its doors without having ever treated a single patient.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo, also a Democrat, has said that all regions within the state must keep at least 30 percent of their share of total hospital beds open in preparation for a potential second wave of COVID-19; it is one of the seven metrics a region must meet in order to begin Phase One of reopening. New York City is currently 2 percent short of meeting the 30-percent goal of total open hospital beds, according to the state's Regional Monitoring Dashboard.

The contract to build the field hospital was reportedly given to Texas-based contractor SLSCO under a no-bid emergency deal. The medical center was supposed to open in April but wasn't finished until May 4, according to The Daily Mail.

Fox News reached out to the offices of both Cuomo and de Blasio for comment and to ask if the closure will have any effect on the number of beds that are being calculated for the region in order to meet the threshold for Phase 1 of the state's reopening. Neither office responded to the requests for comment.


Samaritan's Purse field hospital in Central Park had also been dismantled due to public outcry about the political and religious beliefs of the hospital's backers. The final patients were discharged from the 68-bed hospital on May 5 and the dozens of tents have been decontaminated to be sent back to the warehouse in North Carolina, Samaritan's Purse said in a statement to Fox News.

The news of the second field hospital closure comes on the same day that the death rate from COVID-19 in New York dropped below 100 for the first time since March 24. These positive trends indicate that the virus is being beaten back, and the numbers could lead to the Long Island region reopening as soon as Wednesday, according to the governor.

"It's a sign that we are making real progress and I feel good about that," Cuomo said during a press briefing.

On Friday, 84 people in New York died from coronavirus -- down from 109 a day earlier. The peak of daily deaths was 799 people on April 8.

Not all of the news out of New York has been positive, however, as Cuomo continues to face criticism for his decision to allow elderly patients recovering from COVID-19 to re-enter nursing home facilities.

The governor defended his decision during a Saturday press conference, despite being called out by various GOP leaders for what they deemed to be poor decision-making.

"New York followed the president's agencies' guidance," Cuomo said. "What New York did was follow what the Republican Administration said to do. That's not my attempt to politicize it. It's my attempt to depoliticize it. So don't criticize the state for following the president's policy."


An Associated Press report from Friday was highly critical of the way Cuomo handled the state’s nursing home crisis. It found more than 4,300 coronavirus-infected elderly patients were sent to vulnerable nursing homes under a controversial state directive that was ultimately scrapped amid national scrutiny.

As of Saturday evening, there were more than 1.6 million confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. and nearly 97,000 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Fox News' Marisa Schultz and Vandana Rambaran contributed to this report.
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Cuomo is playing a real game of language here. What does the Planet think? I do not view the recommendations as requiring a known Covid positive back into a nursing home. It said a person from a facility where Covid was known to be present. Big difference.

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Cuomo attempts to deflect blame of deadly nursing home coronavirus debacle on to Trump

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New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo Saturday doubled down on his state's now-scrapped nursing home policy that critics say contributed to thousands of coronavirus deaths and instead blamed the problem on President Trump and his administration.

"New York followed the president's agencies' guidance," Cuomo said Saturday at his press conference. ".... What New York did was follow what the Republican Administration said to do. That's not my attempt to politicize it. It's my attempt to depoliticize it. So don't criticize the state for following the president's policy."

The governor's office said New York's original nursing home policy was in line with a March 13 directive from the Trump Administration's Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) and Centers from Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that went out to all states on how to control infections in nursing homes. The guidance says "nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present."

"Not could. Should," Melissa DeRosa, secretary to the governor and Cuomo's top aide, said at the Saturday press conference. "That is President Trump's CMS and CDC...There are over a dozen states that did the exact same thing."


Cuomo has been under scrutiny from GOP politicians who say the governor should have never allowed recovering coronavirus patients to leave hospitals and go back to their residential nursing homes to spread the contagious virus.

CUOMO DOWNPLAYS CALLS FOR FEDERAL PROBE INTO NURSING HOME CORONAVIRUS DEATHS: 'ASK PRESIDENT TRUMP'

Nursing care facilities, home to some of the most vulnerable citizens, have been coronavirus hotspots around the country. New York leads the nation with the most reported coronavirus nursing home deaths at more than 5,000 -- though the state changed how it counts deaths so the numbers of nursing home patient deaths could be even higher.

Cuomo's response Saturday echoed his past answers, that he was only following guidelines from the Trump administration and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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Tom Price on calls for a federal investigation of COVID-19 policies in nursing homesVideo
“This is a political season, I get it,” Cuomo said Wednesday. “I’m not going to get into the political back-and-forth, but anyone who wants to ask why did the state do that with COVID patients in nursing homes, it’s because the state followed President Trump’s CDC guidance.”

Cuomo added: “They should ask President Trump. I think that will stop the conversation.”

A scathing Associated Press report out Friday was highly critical of the way in which Cuomo had handled the state’s nursing home coronavirus crisis. It found more than 4,300 coronavirus-infected elderly patients were sent to vulnerable nursing homes under a controversial state directive that was ultimately scrapped amid criticisms it was accelerating the nation’s deadliest outbreaks.

BOMBSHELL REPORT ON NY NURSING HOME POLICY OVERLOOKED IN GOV. CUOMO'S DAILY PRESS CONFERENCE

CDC guidelines require any newly admitted and readmitted resident with a COVID-19 case to be placed in a designated COVID-19 care unit, while those who have met the criteria to have recovered can return to a regular unit in the nursing home. The March 13 guidance that Cuomo's office cited says "a nursing home can accept a resident diagnosed with COVID-19... as long as the facility can follow CDC guidance." New York – along with California and New Jersey – went further and turned the guidance into state directives and said at the time that nursing homes cannot refuse to take patients from hospitals solely because they have the coronavirus.

After mounting criticism that the policy put the most vulnerable people at risk and contributed to a high number of fatalities, New York reversed course May 10. Now hospitals can only send patients who have tested negative for COVID-19 to nursing homes.

ELISE STEFANIK ASKS FEDS TO INVESTIGATE CUOMO'S 'FAILED' NURSING HOME POLICY

Cuomo (pictured earlier this month) has been under scrutiny from GOP politicians who say the governor should have never allowed recovering coronavirus patients to leave hospitals and go back to their residential nursing homes to spread the contagious virus. <br data-cke-eol="1">
Cuomo (pictured earlier this month) has been under scrutiny from GOP politicians who say the governor should have never allowed recovering coronavirus patients to leave hospitals and go back to their residential nursing homes to spread the contagious virus. <br data-cke-eol="1"> (Office of Governor Andrew M. Cuomo via AP)
GOP lawmakers have requested a federal probe into Cuomo's policy to send recovering coronavirus patients back to nursing homes and related concerns that deaths at the facilities are being knowingly under-counted.

The state estimates that more than 5,000 nursing home and longterm-care facility patients have died from coronavirus, but a new report says New York could be drastically under-reporting the deaths -- prompting Rep. Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y., and fellow GOP lawmakers to call on an investigation.

When Cuomo, a Democrat, reversed the nursing home directive on May 10 he still defended it. Not allowing nursing homes to reject COVID-19 positive patients had been intended to help free up hospital beds for the sickest patients as cases surged. Cuomo said he didn’t believe it contributed to the more than 5,800 nursing and adult care facility deaths in New York — more than in any other state — and that homes should have spoken up if it was a problem.

“Any nursing home could just say, ‘I can’t handle a COVID person in my facility,’” he said, although the March 25 order didn’t specify how homes could refuse, saying that ”no resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the (nursing home) solely based” on confirmed or suspected COVID-19.

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Over a month later, on April 29, the Health Department clarified that homes should not take any new residents if they were unable to meet their needs, including a checklist of standards for coronavirus care and prevention. But, some nursing homes felt obligated and overwhelmed.

The Associated Press and Fox News' Andrew O'Reilly contributed to this report.
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I know a guy who did a couple of tours in Afghanistan and came back with some major PTSD and got hooked on opiates. He'd been clean and sober for his longest stretch prior to the lockdown and without the meetings he backslid and very near died alone after he was found on the floor of his apartment.

Can you directly blame that on the Covid? Nope, but it's a likely contributor.

I don't know anybody that is thriving on this shit except for the media. They are having a blast.
I'm sorry about your friend and hope that he is doing better.

I haven't been watching much news since COVID struck because it became even more repetitious than usual and was just too depressing at a time when I was striving to keep a positive outlook.

However, I have noticed something from my Facebook friends who make political posts. What I have noticed is that my democrat friends are the ones who want things to stay shut down; whereas, my republican friends are the ones who want things to open up again.

So, I'm assuming that their differing outlooks are based on what their preferred news source is telling them that it should be.
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Cuomo is playing a real game of language here. What does the Planet think? I do not view the recommendations as requiring a known Covid positive back into a nursing home. It said a person from a facility where Covid was known to be present. Big difference.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cuo...rk-coronavirus

Cuomo attempts to deflect blame of deadly nursing home coronavirus debacle on to Trump

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New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo Saturday doubled down on his state's now-scrapped nursing home policy that critics say contributed to thousands of coronavirus deaths and instead blamed the problem on President Trump and his administration.

"New York followed the president's agencies' guidance," Cuomo said Saturday at his press conference. ".... What New York did was follow what the Republican Administration said to do. That's not my attempt to politicize it. It's my attempt to depoliticize it. So don't criticize the state for following the president's policy."

The governor's office said New York's original nursing home policy was in line with a March 13 directive from the Trump Administration's Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) and Centers from Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that went out to all states on how to control infections in nursing homes. The guidance says "nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present."

"Not could. Should," Melissa DeRosa, secretary to the governor and Cuomo's top aide, said at the Saturday press conference. "That is President Trump's CMS and CDC...There are over a dozen states that did the exact same thing."


Cuomo has been under scrutiny from GOP politicians who say the governor should have never allowed recovering coronavirus patients to leave hospitals and go back to their residential nursing homes to spread the contagious virus.

CUOMO DOWNPLAYS CALLS FOR FEDERAL PROBE INTO NURSING HOME CORONAVIRUS DEATHS: 'ASK PRESIDENT TRUMP'

Nursing care facilities, home to some of the most vulnerable citizens, have been coronavirus hotspots around the country. New York leads the nation with the most reported coronavirus nursing home deaths at more than 5,000 -- though the state changed how it counts deaths so the numbers of nursing home patient deaths could be even higher.

Cuomo's response Saturday echoed his past answers, that he was only following guidelines from the Trump administration and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

CLICK HERE FOR FULL CORONAVIRUS COVERAGE

Tom Price on calls for a federal investigation of COVID-19 policies in nursing homesVideo
“This is a political season, I get it,” Cuomo said Wednesday. “I’m not going to get into the political back-and-forth, but anyone who wants to ask why did the state do that with COVID patients in nursing homes, it’s because the state followed President Trump’s CDC guidance.”

Cuomo added: “They should ask President Trump. I think that will stop the conversation.”

A scathing Associated Press report out Friday was highly critical of the way in which Cuomo had handled the state’s nursing home coronavirus crisis. It found more than 4,300 coronavirus-infected elderly patients were sent to vulnerable nursing homes under a controversial state directive that was ultimately scrapped amid criticisms it was accelerating the nation’s deadliest outbreaks.

BOMBSHELL REPORT ON NY NURSING HOME POLICY OVERLOOKED IN GOV. CUOMO'S DAILY PRESS CONFERENCE

CDC guidelines require any newly admitted and readmitted resident with a COVID-19 case to be placed in a designated COVID-19 care unit, while those who have met the criteria to have recovered can return to a regular unit in the nursing home. The March 13 guidance that Cuomo's office cited says "a nursing home can accept a resident diagnosed with COVID-19... as long as the facility can follow CDC guidance." New York – along with California and New Jersey – went further and turned the guidance into state directives and said at the time that nursing homes cannot refuse to take patients from hospitals solely because they have the coronavirus.

After mounting criticism that the policy put the most vulnerable people at risk and contributed to a high number of fatalities, New York reversed course May 10. Now hospitals can only send patients who have tested negative for COVID-19 to nursing homes.

ELISE STEFANIK ASKS FEDS TO INVESTIGATE CUOMO'S 'FAILED' NURSING HOME POLICY

Cuomo (pictured earlier this month) has been under scrutiny from GOP politicians who say the governor should have never allowed recovering coronavirus patients to leave hospitals and go back to their residential nursing homes to spread the contagious virus. <br data-cke-eol="1">
Cuomo (pictured earlier this month) has been under scrutiny from GOP politicians who say the governor should have never allowed recovering coronavirus patients to leave hospitals and go back to their residential nursing homes to spread the contagious virus. <br data-cke-eol="1"> (Office of Governor Andrew M. Cuomo via AP)
GOP lawmakers have requested a federal probe into Cuomo's policy to send recovering coronavirus patients back to nursing homes and related concerns that deaths at the facilities are being knowingly under-counted.

The state estimates that more than 5,000 nursing home and longterm-care facility patients have died from coronavirus, but a new report says New York could be drastically under-reporting the deaths -- prompting Rep. Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y., and fellow GOP lawmakers to call on an investigation.

When Cuomo, a Democrat, reversed the nursing home directive on May 10 he still defended it. Not allowing nursing homes to reject COVID-19 positive patients had been intended to help free up hospital beds for the sickest patients as cases surged. Cuomo said he didn’t believe it contributed to the more than 5,800 nursing and adult care facility deaths in New York — more than in any other state — and that homes should have spoken up if it was a problem.

“Any nursing home could just say, ‘I can’t handle a COVID person in my facility,’” he said, although the March 25 order didn’t specify how homes could refuse, saying that ”no resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the (nursing home) solely based” on confirmed or suspected COVID-19.

CLICK HERE FOR THE FOX NEWS APP

Over a month later, on April 29, the Health Department clarified that homes should not take any new residents if they were unable to meet their needs, including a checklist of standards for coronavirus care and prevention. But, some nursing homes felt obligated and overwhelmed.

The Associated Press and Fox News' Andrew O'Reilly contributed to this report.
I agree with you. Cuomo is playing the blame game to take the heat off of him. He is pretending that he was just doing the President's bidding.

Funny how that applies now, but doesn't apply when it comes to sanctuary states/cities or giving a driver's license to illegal immigrants.

It's also interesting how many other states read those guidelines and got it right. Such as Florida, the home of the snowbirds.

Or, even Indiana, which some here have described as a "**** hole" filled with bumpkins. Now that I think about it, those who were dissing Indiana were the tolerant left who have since left.
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Long Island official explains when tennis players can safely touch others’ balls

You can kick someone else’s balls, you just can’t touch them, says Nassau County’s top public official.

County Executive Laura Curran — standing in front of a couple tennis players on a court while talking about how to stay safe enjoying the sport amid the coronavirus — dished out the sage advice during a hilarious made-for-“SNL” moment.

“You can kick their balls, but you can’t touch them,” Curran said, immediately drawing laughs from the crowd — and even from her own masked law enforcement detail.

“I’m going to blush, sorry,” she added, chuckling herself.

“Of course, if you’re playing with someone in your household, you can touch those tennis balls,” she continued.

Then the county exec only got herself in deeper.

“To avoid confusion between whose balls are whose, you can use a marker like a Sharpie to mark out with an X and put someone’s initials on them,” she said — as one of her guards looked up to the sky as if to keep himself from bursting out laughing.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/18/long-i...fety-guidance/

Once I got past the humor in all this, the gravity of it struck me. It spoke of how quickly we have gone from the land of the free and the home of the brave to the land of the subservient and the home of the fearful who will sit back and let others tell them what they can and can't touch.
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