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Old 04-01-2020, 02:40 PM   #766
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These are the types of “lies” the never-Trumpers and the left cling to. But who does it affect, really? Nobody.
Are you saying it's not a lie? That Trump didn't actually say those things? I don't give a shit who he sends where but don't friggin lie about it when it comes out that it was the wrong thing to do. A lie is a lie and there is nothing I hate more than a gutless liar. Trump has set a new low for being dishonest. It's mind-boggling, actually, that someone could so callously just spit out bullshit so often and his supporters just overlook it like it's no big deal.

In what universe does that even make sense?

What has Trump done?? Make fun of handicapped people. Ignore a pandemic. Attack the 1st Amendment. Give rich people a tax cut on the backs of the middle class and inspire a horde of jack-asses to applaud him for it
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Old 04-01-2020, 02:42 PM   #767
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When Trump said "I'm sending Rudy Guiliani there to work with you. He's a good man" etc to the President of Ukraine and then 2 weeks later tells Bill O'Reilly, "I don't know WHY Rudy went to Ukraine, I didn't send him", I don't care if Satan reports it. A proven lie is a proven lie.
Excellent example of MSM bullshit propaganda....

Giuliani defends going to Ukraine to press for investigations connected to Biden
Fri May 10, 2019

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/10/polit...den/index.html

Note the date.

Trump's phone call was July 25th...over 2 months later.

Guliani was already conducting the investigation, long before any of this Ukraine stuff came up with the so called "whistleblower".

In fact, it was Guliani's investigation that spawned the need to find a fake whistleblower, change the rules of whistleblowing on the fly in order to get it to pass muster, and generate some excuse for impeachment after Mueller failed.

Guliani's investigation was first....everything else is just a reaction to it.

Your assertion is nonsensical in the timeline of events.
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Seriously, name one other Presiden that has ever had this type of adoration by so many people in the modern era of this country?
Obama, no contest. All you had to do was turn on the TV.
Children sang songs about Him, for goodness sake.

If you turn on the TV these days, Trump is easily the most hated man in the world...
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Excellent example of MSM bullshit propaganda....

Giuliani defends going to Ukraine to press for investigations connected to Biden
Fri May 10, 2019

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/10/polit...den/index.html

Note the date.

Trump's phone call was July 25th...over 2 months later.

Guliani was already conducting the investigation, long before any of this Ukraine stuff came up with the so called "whistleblower".

In fact, it was Guliani's investigation that spawned the need to find a fake whistleblower, change the rules of whistleblowing on the fly in order to get it to pass muster, and generate some excuse for impeachment after Mueller failed.

Guliani's investigation was first....everything else is just a reaction to it.

Your assertion is nonsensical in the timeline of events.
This is true of all never-Trumpers and lefties. Thatís why none will stay and have a discussion. Because a timeline of facts just destroys ANY stance they can take. And now the only thread they have left to cling to is Orange Man Bad liar, even though the last admin is guilty of FAR more dangerous lies.

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Obama, no contest. All you had to do was turn on the TV.
Children sang songs about Him, for goodness sake.

If you turn on the TV these days, Trump is easily the most hated man in the world...
So true.
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Old 04-01-2020, 03:47 PM   #770
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Excellent example of MSM bullshit propaganda....

Giuliani defends going to Ukraine to press for investigations connected to Biden
Fri May 10, 2019

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/10/polit...den/index.html

Note the date.

Trump's phone call was July 25th...over 2 months later.

Guliani was already conducting the investigation, long before any of this Ukraine stuff came up with the so called "whistleblower".

In fact, it was Guliani's investigation that spawned the need to find a fake whistleblower, change the rules of whistleblowing on the fly in order to get it to pass muster, and generate some excuse for impeachment after Mueller failed.

Guliani's investigation was first....everything else is just a reaction to it.

Your assertion is nonsensical in the timeline of events.
Why are you changing the subject?? I don't care why Rudy went there, the issue is Trump told Ukraine he was sending him, then told O'Reilly he wasn't the one that sent him. That's Trump. Right there. Lie, then lie to cover the lie. Say whatever the hell comes to mind, not even taking time to think if it's even real.

I don't get how someone that likes thinki0ng about getting away from the masses, the tracking, the rat race, the politics, etc can be so aligned to a political figure. Especially one that is so rotten.

Notice in all this, I have not endorsed one politician for anything. Screw all this. I'm just hung up on why Trump? Why the callous adoration? He damn sure hasn't earned it nor does he deserve it. If he was my neighbor, I'd warn him to keep his lying ass away from me and my family, as would anyone else, but as a President, he's OK???

Screw that, I'm going to the woods.

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Obama, no contest. All you had to do was turn on the TV.
Children sang songs about Him, for goodness sake.

If you turn on the TV these days, Trump is easily the most hated man in the world...
And for good reason. Or do you think 3 million Americans are right and the entire rest of the world is wrong?

I know a lot of minorities adored Obama. He was one of them. Trump is not one of you. One of us. I personally hate Obama every time I look at my insurance premium on my pay stub.

Besides, Obama was revenge for Bush
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So you are the CLAIMED Republican that is a teacher and sticking up for the Washington Post?



The chips are REALLY starting to add up on the other side of the table.


Or, you know, you could actually THINK and realize that this was in response to Baronís claim that all mainstream news media is this way.

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When Trump said "I'm sending Rudy Guiliani there to work with you. He's a good man" etc to the President of Ukraine and then 2 weeks later tells Bill O'Reilly, "I don't know WHY Rudy went to Ukraine, I didn't send him", I don't care if Satan reports it. A proven lie is a proven lie.

Stop blaming the messenger because Trump is a lying piece of shit who doesn't know what being honest means.

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Seriously, name one other Presiden that has ever had this type of adoration by so many people in the modern era of this country? In any era for that matter AND is surrounded by so much corruption, has lied so many times and has had so many staff members and associates imprisoned, if not at least indicted. You can't because there hjasn't ever been anything like this.

Kennedy was adored but Kennedy was inspirational. Kennedy had his faults, but Kennedy was a military commander and as President inspired a nation to reach beyond itself and strive to attempt the previously impossible.


Eh, Obama was deified by many of his followers.


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In fact...I would say that virtually none of the mainstream media qualifies any more, they are essentially a blend of propaganda and advertising.



This is the part of Baronís post that I was referring to, Assistant to the Regional Manager.

The WaPi is just as biased as the WaExa.



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And for good reason. Or do you think 3 million Americans are right and the entire rest of the world is wrong?

I know a lot of minorities adored Obama. He was one of them. Trump is not one of you. One of us. I personally hate Obama every time I look at my insurance premium on my pay stub.

Besides, Obama was revenge for Bush
Actualy I think I am right. My opinion, Trump is a very strong leader. And as transparent as clean glass. That was needed. So different than "Him".
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Actualy I think I am right. My opinion, Trump is a very strong leader. And as transparent as clean glass. That was needed. So different than "Him".
Transparency is great when it exposes somebody that has nothing to hide. Somebody who is shredding this country and lying about every bit of it. That’s the part that’s confounding. You’re right, he hides nothing and you people still support him. Even though he gives people every reason not to
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I would treat claims of "lying" more seriously if the term hadn't morphed into something else in the past 20+ years.

Much like literally literally doesn't mean literally any more, lying doesn't mean lying anymore.

Lying, as I understood the word in the dim and distant past, is what is cited here.
to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
Two key words here "knowingly" and "intent"

Now all it takes for someone to claim someone lied is to have some degree of inaccuracy in their statement.

It is "presumed" that there was malicious intent because the individual in question is from the opposite tribe, er political persuasion.

Much as the evil/stupid meme propagates.

And for the record, both sides are guilty of this.

As such I will posit OPT's corollary to Godwin's Law.
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of an accusation of lying approaches 1.
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Transparency is great when it exposes somebody that has nothing to hide. Somebody who is shredding this country and lying about every bit of it. Thatís the part thatís confounding. Youíre right, he hides nothing and you people still support him. Even though he gives people every reason not to
Come November , who has more shit to hide?
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Transparency is great when it exposes somebody that has nothing to hide. Somebody who is shredding this country...
What do you mean by "shredding this country"?
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I would treat claims of "lying" more seriously if the term hadn't morphed into something else in the past 20+ years.

Much like literally literally doesn't mean literally any more, lying doesn't mean lying anymore.

Lying, as I understood the word in the dim and distant past, is what is cited here.
to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
Two key words here "knowingly" and "intent"

Now all it takes for someone to claim someone lied is to have some degree of inaccuracy in their statement.

It is "presumed" that there was malicious intent because the individual in question is from the opposite tribe, er political persuasion.

Much as the evil/stupid meme propagates.

And for the record, both sides are guilty of this.

As such I will posit OPT's corollary to Godwin's Law.
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of an accusation of lying approaches 1.
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