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Old 03-30-2020, 06:43 AM   #676
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Additionally, I remember distinctly the mantra "character doesn't matter" that the leftist media continued to repeat ad nauseum during the Clinton administration, and I hated it, I railed against it.

Turns out, they were actually right all along.

I mean, we probably had 3 consecutive presidencies with the best character in the latter half of the 20th century....Ford, Carter, and Reagan. These were men of solid character and integrity, irrespective of political bent.

2 out of 3 of those presidents sucked.

It is apparent that good character has nothing to do with good leadership, and we haven't had a president of good character since Reagan, so I can't elaborate any further than that, except to say that even with a run of bad characters, it still doesn't have any bearing on being president.

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Saying Trump has ‘blood on his hands’ is media hype, New York is Covid-19 hell because government at EVERY level is broken

In times of crisis, people look to the president for leadership. But the media’s criticism of Donald Trump misses the point: New York is sick not because of POTUS, but because of an endemic rot at every level of government.

New York is sick. The Empire State accounts for more than a third of the US’ Covid-19 cases, and in New York City, more than 30,000 people are infected and nearly 700 dead. With the situation worsening by the day, Democrats and the media have pointed the finger squarely at President Trump.

Trump “will not lift a finger to help his hometown,” NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio told NBC News last Sunday. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi accused the president on Sunday of delaying the transport of vital equipment to cities like New York. “As the president fiddles, people are dying,” she told CNN’s Jake Tapper.

“Do you think there’s blood on the president’s hands?” NBC’s Chuck Todd asked Democratic candidate Joe Biden on Sunday morning.

A bold statement indeed. However, Trump’s response to the virus has been about as thorough as possible, despite his initial hesitation to take the outbreak seriously. His administration has called up military reservists, streamlined federal funding for National Guard deployments, paused evictions and student loan repayments, ordered private companies to manufacture medical equipment, and passed a $2.2 trillion stimulus bill.

That’s not to be confused for sycophancy. Trump could have rolled out mass testing earlier, could have ordered businesses closed earlier, and could have pressed Congress harder for a stimulus bill less packed with cash for Republican corporate bailouts and Democrat funding for arts and refugees.

But the power of the federal government has limits, and hammering Trump for his response neglects the role played by state and local officials

In New York, Governor Andrew Cuomo has portrayed the shortage of ventilators there as a struggle between his administration and Trump’s. “FEMA sent us 400 ventilators. We need 30,000,” Cuomo said at the beginning of the week. However, Cuomo has himself admitted that his figure is a worst-case estimate, and that the state has not yet had to dig into its own stockpile of the devices.

Cuomo, to his credit, is scrambling to secure ventilators for his state – even if it means publicly badgering Trump for more of the US’ limited national stockpile. But New York has been short on the lifesaving devices for years. In a 2015 report, the New York State Department of Health noted that in the event of a pandemic on the scale of the 1918 Spanish Flu, the city would experience a shortage of 15,000 ventilators. Though the paper did not outright recommend that Cuomo’s administration buy more, its publication did not rouse him into action.

Likewise, Mayor de Blasio has pleaded with Trump to deploy the federal military to New York. Last Friday he told the president to “get the hell out of the way and let the military do its job.” Since then, Trump has called up reservists and veterans, sent a hospital ship to New York, and activated the Defense Production Act, while the Army has begun setting up field hospitals in the city.

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/124...rus-failure%2F

[/B]De Blasio accused Trump on March 15 of “playing catch-up” with the virus. However, two days earlier he told New Yorkers to “go about your lives” as normal. That same week he told a radio host that asymptomatic carriers can’t transmit the disease, refused to cancel the city’s St. Patrick’s Day parade until convinced to, and personally told a woman returning from Italy not to self-isolate. So exhaustive is the list of his missteps that New York Magazine described the week as “the worst stretch of the mayor’s six-year tenure.”[/B]

“It has been just a constant struggle to get the mayor to take action,” one City Council member told the magazine.

With a record as patchy as his own, it’s no wonder de Blasio has seized the opportunity to attack Trump on cable TV. Better to swing wildly than absorb punches at home.

Squandered opportunities and clueless leadership can be found at all levels of government. Hours before de Blasio finally ordered public schools closed on March 15, the management at one school in the Bronx warned staff that they could be fired for telling students to stay at home, even after a member of staff tested positive for the deadly virus, the New York Post reported on Saturday. The New York City Department of Education is currently under investigation for forcing several schools in the city to remain open, including one in Brooklyn where five teachers tested positive.

The failures go beyond New York too. After pressing Trump for weeks to declare a national disaster and send aid to her state, and sparring with the president on Twitter, a FEMA spokesman said on Wednesday that Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer had not formally requested a major disaster declaration. Only when news of this delay broke did Whitmer send the request to the federal government, which was approved a day later.

Similar stories have surely played out in other states, and at other levels of government.

When the pandemic eventually abates, Trump will be judged endlessly on his reaction to it. His future in the White House may depend on it. However, the president sits at the top of a massive bureaucratic machine, and his successes and failures shouldn’t overshadow those of the governors, mayors and administrators below.

Defeating Covid-19 depends on a decisive response from every elected official in America, not just the most visible one.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/484438-new-...virus-failure/
Great article Baron.

NY is fvcked. They were clearly warned. They sat on their hands. The citizens need to know that and point their fear in the correct direction.
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Old 03-30-2020, 07:32 AM   #677
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Here's something you may find amusing...

I actually agree with HipKat on the general sentiment of what he said, except that I see Trump as part of the cure.

The neocons and neoliberals are the disaster, the virus, that needs curing.
I think the whole country is a disaster, both sides are out of control. People, in general, are out of control. If I live through whatever medical issues I have coming up, I'm out. My gf and I have been talking about moving somewhere remote, cutting off most technology - because I'm sick of being tracked and categorized into whatever various databases there are and she can plant her garden to die for and I can teach my kids what being in the woods means.

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Wait.

You were just baby stepped through impeachment, the fisa situation, and Ukraine. China has just had the surface scratched but there’s bigger issues there. Durham is still chugging along. And you don’t think the swamp needs draining?
The swamp that needed draining was replaced by the bigger Swamp that is Trump - or you think Jared Kuschner really is qualified for all the hats that Trump put on his head....
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I think the whole country is a disaster, both sides are out of control. People, in general, are out of control. If I live through whatever medical issues I have coming up, I'm out. My gf and I have been talking about moving somewhere remote, cutting off most technology - because I'm sick of being tracked and categorized into whatever various databases there are and she can plant her garden to die for and I can teach my kids what being in the woods means.
Something we agree on. I’d love to get the fvck out.
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There is no intellectual argument that supports the Trump presidency. Not one. He's done nothing for you. Not one thing, unless you're in the minority percentage that saw a benefit from his tax program.
I won't have a continuing argument about this but this statement is exactly what is wrong. I do not want the government doing things for me. Even in the best case, the government waters down what help I may be able to get with administrators. As a general rule it is best for the government to stay out of the way. Yes, coronavirus is different, at least at the moment. We will see the true effect of it at a much later date. Listening to the news, I would think we are all going to die. In that case it will not matter who the president is.
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Something we agree on. I’d love to get the fvck out.
I'm doping it. I saw The Great Hack on Netflix last year and it opened my eyes. The thing that brought Tracy and me together is she saw what I wrote about getting out.

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i think the whole country is a disaster, both sides are out of control. People, in general, are out of control. If i live through whatever medical issues i have coming up, i'm out. My gf and i have been talking about moving somewhere remote, cutting off most technology - because i'm sick of being tracked and categorized into whatever various databases there are and she can plant her garden to die for and i can teach my kids what being in the woods means.

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the swamp that needed draining was replaced by the bigger swamp that is trump - or you think jared kuschner really is qualified for all the hats that trump put on his head....

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I won't have a continuing argument about this but this statement is exactly what is wrong. I do not want the government doing things for me. Even in the best case, the government waters down what help I may be able to get with administrators. As a general rule it is best for the government to stay out of the way. Yes, coronavirus is different, at least at the moment. We will see the true effect of it at a much later date. Listening to the news, I would think we are all going to die. In that case it will not matter who the president is.
That's a very romantic statement that has zero factual basis to it. The Government actually is tasked with doing things for us, specifically defending the COnstitution as it applies to the citizens of this country and defending us and the United States.
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I'm doping it. I saw The Great Hack on Netflix last year and it opened my eyes. The thing that brought Tracy and me together is she saw what I wrote about getting out.

https://www.facebook.com/greg.hipkat...21178320264863 if you're interested
Belichick does more social media than me. This is my extent.

But I will add that to my Netflix list.
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Now educate me. Show me one department of the federal government that shells out more money than it takes in. That would prove my statement wrong. Just because the government takes, does not make it the proper entity to do whatever project is on the agenda.
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I think the whole country is a disaster, both sides are out of control. People, in general, are out of control. If I live through whatever medical issues I have coming up, I'm out. My gf and I have been talking about moving somewhere remote, cutting off most technology - because I'm sick of being tracked and categorized into whatever various databases there are and she can plant her garden to die for and I can teach my kids what being in the woods means.[COLOR="Silver"]
Most people today just do what they are told, and believe what they are told to believe, from the media, especially. Propaganda works, or it wouldn't be a thing.

At any rate, I'm 100% with you on the Surveillance State, which is another thing people aren't just passive about, they are enthususiastic about being surveilled 24/7, they love it. They can't wait to be tracked, and listened to, and watched in their cars, in their living rooms, in their bedrooms. Hell, they even give personal surveillance devices to one another as gifts.

Sheeple often mock me on these boards when I call them sheeple. But, Alexa proves my point. "Right, Alexa?"

So, I fully understand and support you and your gf in that train of thought. It's refreshing to find a couple such as yourselves with a healthy skepticism and sense of the importance of privacy.

I'll tell you...I from time to time make 1984 references, but I never dreamed...I am stunned, at how the Home Monitoring devices actually got into our homes...not through some government mandate or anything like that...but as a toy! I mean.....Holy Shit....Americans just leaped right into 1984 without looking, no hesitation.

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Something we agree on. I’d love to get the fvck out.
I'm not leaving.

There is realistically no place to go that isn't already more socialist and less freedom than in America.

We still have 2A. That is the last line of defense. That is the Constitutional Right of Americans to say "This far, and no further". Even if we are the minority, we only require 3% of the population.
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Most people today just do what they are told, and believe what they are told to believe, from the media, especially. Propaganda works, or it wouldn't be a thing.

At any rate, I'm 100% with you on the Surveillance State, which is another thing people aren't just passive about, they are enthususiastic about being surveilled 24/7, they love it. They can't wait to be tracked, and listened to, and watched in their cars, in their living rooms, in their bedrooms. Hell, they even give personal surveillance devices to one another as gifts.

Sheeple often mock me on these boards when I call them sheeple. But, Alexa proves my point. "Right, Alexa?"

So, I fully understand and support you and your gf in that train of thought. It's refreshing to find a couple such as yourselves with a healthy skepticism and sense of the importance of privacy.

I'll tell you...I from time to time make 1984 references, but I never dreamed...I am stunned, at how the Home Monitoring devices actually got into our homes...not through some government mandate or anything like that...but as a toy! I mean.....Holy Shit....Americans just leaped right into 1984 without looking, no hesitation.

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I'm not leaving.

There is realistically no place to go that isn't already more socialist and less freedom than in America.

We still have 2A. That is the last line of defense. That is the Constitutional Right of Americans to say "This far, and no further". Even if we are the minority, we only require 3% of the population.

No. Still stay in America. Just go remote. Off grid. Off society’s map.

No Alexa in my house. I’ll pull whatever I want up myself. Audible requests are not even remotely on my wish list.
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No Alexa in my house. I’ll pull whatever I want up myself. Audible requests are not even remotely on my wish list.
Alexa is the dream of socialist countries everywhere....imagine what Hitler and Stalin could have done if they had Alexa?

It would be so easy, modern nations, including America, will not be able to resist exploiting it. They will succumb to the temptation of absolute surveillance of every citizen, in every room, in every home. That's the sort of temptaion that no government can possibly resist.
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Most people today just do what they are told, and believe what they are told to believe, from the media, especially. Propaganda works, or it wouldn't be a thing.

At any rate, I'm 100% with you on the Surveillance State, which is another thing people aren't just passive about, they are enthususiastic about being surveilled 24/7, they love it. They can't wait to be tracked, and listened to, and watched in their cars, in their living rooms, in their bedrooms. Hell, they even give personal surveillance devices to one another as gifts.

Sheeple often mock me on these boards when I call them sheeple. But, Alexa proves my point. "Right, Alexa?"

So, I fully understand and support you and your gf in that train of thought. It's refreshing to find a couple such as yourselves with a healthy skepticism and sense of the importance of privacy.

I'll tell you...I from time to time make 1984 references, but I never dreamed...I am stunned, at how the Home Monitoring devices actually got into our homes...not through some government mandate or anything like that...but as a toy! I mean.....Holy Shit....Americans just leaped right into 1984 without looking, no hesitation.

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I'm not leaving.

There is realistically no place to go that isn't already more socialist and less freedom than in America.

We still have 2A. That is the last line of defense. That is the Constitutional Right of Americans to say "This far, and no further". Even if we are the minority, we only require 3% of the population.

This is why I refuse to buy anything like an Alexa, Roku or any other type of electronics that’s supposed to make my life “easier”. I’ll stick with regular old cable tv and watching DVD’s/VHS (yes I still have a VJS player).

We’ve now got over 100 cases of COVID-19 with 3 deaths and they’ve implemented a stay at home order unless for food or emergencies. I’m headed to my cabin tomorrow for the rest of the week to get away from this stupidity, relax and ride my sled and hang with fellow cabin owners.


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Originally Posted by AkPatsFan View Post
..,and watching DVD’s/VHS (yes I still have a VJS player).
Syncs perfectly with your eight track cassette player.

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