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Old 12-08-2019, 12:19 PM   #3316
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Hes not number 1cright now but he is still a top 10 QB. Do you ditch a top 10 QB? And for what?

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With an offense in sync and protection heís the best in the league. His mental acumen is off the charts. His pedigree is the best in history. And he is still physically capable of playing that way.

Can he and the team return to greatness? I think yes. Itís going to take work.

But if any unit is going to stall us imo itís OLine and TEs. Blocking needs to be significantly better to have a solid run game like last year. Bill the GM has flat out failed at TE. All these teams weíre battling have 2-3 TEs we had shots at that are significant factors in their run games.

Ben Fvcking Watson?!?

Cmon man!
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Old 12-08-2019, 12:26 PM   #3317
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With an offense in sync and protection heís the best in the league. His mental acumen is off the charts. His pedigree is the best in history. And he is still physically capable of playing that way.

Can he and the team return to greatness? I think yes. Itís going to take work.

But if any unit is going to stall us imo itís OLine and TEs. Blocking needs to be significantly better to have a solid run game like last year. Bill the GM has flat out failed at TE. All these teams weíre battling have 2-3 TEs we had shots at that are significant factors in their run games.

Ben Fvcking Watson?!?

Cmon man!

If I had seen some arm strength fall, or he is a sitting duck because he cant move, It would be different. I dont see failing from a physical standpoint, and that is what knocks guys out of the league. Peyton could barely throw at the end. As long as I see him pull away from a defender and whip a 20 yard pass to edelman down the field on 3rd and 19, which I saw, then he is still a QB that can play here better than what we have on the bench.
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Old 12-08-2019, 12:32 PM   #3318
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BB should have addressed the TE situation much more in last years draft...he did try to get a few here via free agency, but, he never sniffed it in the draft.
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Old 12-08-2019, 01:16 PM   #3319
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Hes not number 1cright now but he is still a top 10 QB. Do you ditch a top 10 QB? And for what?

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You ditch or keep a player not by what he's done, but by what you expect of him in the future and how much he will cost vs. how much better that money would be used on other skill players.

You don't need a top ten QB if you have a solid team. See:
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Jim McMahon
Nick FOles
Joe Flaco
Bob Griese
Jeff Hostetler
Mark Rypien
and the immortal Joe Namath

Yeah, there are a lot more top ten QB superbowl winners, but is Brady worth top money NEXT year?

We are going to have to move on from Brady, and very soon. Next year or the year after. I don't see how anyone but Middy would not see that. The only question is when. Hopefully it won't be a year too late and we miss out on $25 mil worth of TEs and Olinesmen.
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Old 12-08-2019, 01:36 PM   #3320
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You ditch or keep a player not by what he's done, but by what you expect of him in the future and how much he will cost vs. how much better that money would be used on other skill players.

You don't need a top ten QB if you have a solid team. See:
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Jim McMahon
Nick FOles
Joe Flaco
Bob Griese
Jeff Hostetler
Mark Rypien
and the immortal Joe Namath

Yeah, there are a lot more top ten QB superbowl winners, but is Brady worth top money NEXT year?

We are going to have to move on from Brady, and very soon. Next year or the year after. I don't see how anyone but Middy would not see that. The only question is when. Hopefully it won't be a year too late and we miss out on $25 mil worth of TEs and Olinesmen.


I already said I hope he retires, you saying that they need to get rid of him to get better is flat out stupid.

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You ditch or keep a player not by what he's done, but by what you expect of him in the future and how much he will cost vs. how much better that money would be used on other skill players.

You don't need a top ten QB if you have a solid team. See:
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Jim McMahon
Nick FOles
Joe Flaco
Bob Griese
Jeff Hostetler
Mark Rypien
and the immortal Joe Namath

Yeah, there are a lot more top ten QB superbowl winners, but is Brady worth top money NEXT year?

We are going to have to move on from Brady, and very soon. Next year or the year after. I don't see how anyone but Middy would not see that. The only question is when. Hopefully it won't be a year too late and we miss out on $25 mil worth of TEs and Olinesmen.

A solid team? This is your wish? A solid team? The funny thing is, you named 9 QB's off 9 teams, that have superbowl rings....Brady has 6 on this team. But if you are hoping for a solid team, then I guess those don't matter anymore.
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Old 12-08-2019, 01:38 PM   #3321
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Yes Pariots71, there are some dumb people on here. I just put them on ignore. You're not one of them.
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Old 12-08-2019, 01:42 PM   #3322
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Yes Pariots71, there are some dumb people on here. I just put them on ignore. You're not one of them.
I'm not calling anyone dumb because they aren't. I just don't get why the rush to get Brady out the door. If he is able to play, then he should. We are not some 5-11 team that is rebuilding. He is not some crippled up mess. The issues on the team is just freaking playing together. Get in sync. Get on the same page. People get healthy. They have the D, get the offense going and we are set.
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Old 12-08-2019, 02:28 PM   #3323
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you saying that they need to get rid of him to get better is flat out stupid.
Sigh. You are so intent of defending Brady you read everything into an attack on him.

In what universe does,

"You ditch or keep a player not by what he's done, but by what you expect of him in the future and how much he will cost vs. how much better that money would be used on other skill players"

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"you saying that they need to get rid of him to get better"


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A solid team? This is your wish? A solid team?
Umm, yeah. That's pretty much what I want. Building the best team possible. Yep.

No one is in a rush to get rid of Brady. That is how you react to people having the opinion that Brady's play is deteriorating year by year and 2020 might be the year it is time to move on. I think it will be. I think next year he will no longer be worth the money he will take off the cap. You think it isn't time. Fine. But it is only your opinion, and putting words into other people's mouths and then call them flat out stupid is old-school Middy-ish. Move on, Dude. Brady will. If not in 2020, then probably in 2021.

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Old 12-08-2019, 02:30 PM   #3324
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Jesus H. Christ, you are a piece of work. You are so intent of defending Brady you read everything into an attack on him. In what universe does,

"You ditch or keep a player not by what he's done, but by what you expect of him in the future and how much he will cost vs. how much better that money would be used on other skill players"

equate to

"you saying that they need to get rid of him to get better"



Umm, yeah. That's pretty much what I want. Building the best team possible. Yep.


I expect Brady to play better than what we have at backup who we have under contract and no reason to rush into action....do you expect different? No sorry the bar set by this team is to compete for a superbowl, not be a sold team, they are a solid team now and you cry about it every week. If they start going 9-7 you would off yourself.
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Brady is on the verge of retirement...because of what he said. He said that he will retire if he sucks. Pretty close to it now...
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It really seems like OBJ was making a play to Tom to come and get him from the Browns. Apparently he's saying come and get me to coaches and players from other teams..

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the pats 3 losses this year are to the current AFC 1,3,4 seeds.

teams the pats have lost to combined record: 28-11

teams the pats have beaten combined record: 47-68

Brady in the last 5 games. 116/213 54% 1186 yards 6 td 3 int

Brady currently has an 8 game streak of not breaking 100 passer rating - currently the longest in the nfl.
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Fellow Patriots fans, do you realize after next week's game, we'll be celebrating another playoff appearance?. And after the Bills-Patriots game in 2 weeks (on the Saturday), we'll be celebrating another division championship, and then when we beat the Fins (already beat them in Miami), we'll be debating who we'll be playing after the Patriot's bye week?

After our win against Buffalo in a couple of weeks, we'll watch some competitors lose on the Sunday.

Good times are ahead.....
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With how old Brady is, it shouldn't be shocking actually...but, it would be nice to have a better supporting cast around him though.
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Put any other QB in the offense and see what happens. It would be awful. Even if Brady did suck which he doesn’t, he’s earned getting carried by a defense the past few years of his career. Y’all sound like a bunch of spoiled ungrateful fans. Turn off espn for a bit. Maybe the fact that NE hasn’t made a good pick in the first round since The year they took Hightower and Jones has something to do with this. Again put any other QB in the offense and it gets way way worse. Put Brady in about any other offense and he’s playing normal. I still think he’s having one of his best years just holding this awful shit together.
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