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Old 09-17-2018, 04:05 PM   #16
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Did you watch Pittsburgh today?

It could be worse.
They are a mess and quite possibly the worst defense in the NFL, giving up 6 td's to a rookies QB.
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Old 09-17-2018, 06:18 PM   #17
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Pittsburgh played an offense people around the league have respect for. This.........was awful, and how long does BB need to get this defense to an average level. Not good, just average. Even slightly below average. What does Belichick do if not organize the def? Where is the defensive genius? I haven't seen it since the guys Parcells brought in retired. If the defense is going to consistently be this bad why not trade BB for two first rounders. Turn it over to McDaniels. The offense won't regress and maybe we can get someone who can stop an offense that may not have a single pro bowler.



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Pittsburgh played an offense people around the league have respect for. This.........was awful, and how long does BB need to get this defense to an average level. Not good, just average. Even slightly below average. What does Belichick do if not organize the def? Where is the defensive genius? I haven't seen it since the guys Parcells brought in retired. If the defense is going to consistently be this bad why not trade BB for two first rounders. Turn it over to McDaniels. The offense won't regress and maybe we can get someone who can stop an offense that may not have a single pro bowler.



FOUR HUNDRED plus yards, FOUR touchdowns to Blake Bortels. He just got a quarter of his season long production in one game. This is not a new problem.
Go back to your fantasy league because that's what you obviously think this is.
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They are a mess and quite possibly the worst defense in the NFL, giving up 6 td's to a rookies QB.
He is not a rookie, but I imagine he could put 6 td's up on the pats if he wanted to.
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I don't think this is a fantasy league, just look at what this defense has given up over the last four games. Look at how it's performed over the last year, heck since 2008. Guys were running wide open during that jags game, with no semblance of a pass rush. I'm not saying this is a new problem. It's an old one. Brady pulls out these incredible seasons every year despite this defense. Maybe instead of going offense the team should have drafted for the front seven with those first two picks. I don't understand why a lot of people here want to defend Belichick so much. This offense has been a product of Brady and McDaniels for quite some time. If not defense what does Belichick bring to the table? He's pretty good at blowing draft picks on corners and wide receivers, benching starters in Super Bowls without adequate replacements, and doing stuff like deferring to the jets in that overtime game. just ask yourself. To beat the jags what Should be easier?. Asking Brady to hang 35 or forty on that defense, or organizing a def on the pats side that can hold the jags to 24, get off the field on a third down for once, and get the ball back to Brady. Thank goodness this team plays in the AFC east, and not the NFC.
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I don't think this is a fantasy league, just look at what this defense has given up over the last four games. Look at how it's performed over the last year, heck since 2008. Guys were running wide open during that jags game, with no semblance of a pass rush. I'm not saying this is a new problem. It's an old one. Brady pulls out these incredible seasons every year despite this defense. Maybe instead of going offense the team should have drafted for the front seven with those first two picks. I don't understand why a lot of people here want to defend Belichick so much. This offense has been a product of Brady and McDaniels for quite some time. If not defense what does Belichick bring to the table? He's pretty good at blowing draft picks on corners and wide receivers, benching starters in Super Bowls without adequate replacements, and doing stuff like deferring to the jets in that overtime game. just ask yourself. To beat the jags what Should be easier?. Asking Brady to hang 35 or forty on that defense, or organizing a def on the pats side that can hold the jags to 24, get off the field on a third down for once, and get the ball back to Brady. Thank goodness this team plays in the AFC east, and not the NFC.
bullshit

You completely discount the human element. Your previous post intimated that these guys should be perfect every time. We're two weeks in to the season yet you expect these guys to be in midseason form with a new DC and system after seeing minimal reps in the preseason. You talk about how bad the defense has been for the last 10 years...seems to me there have been 3 conference championships and 2 SB wins in that stretch of time. In 2016 the Pats defense finished the season ranked 8th overall and 1st in points allowed. Last year they finished 4th in points allowed. In 2015 they finished 9th overall and 7th in points allowed. In 2014 11th overall and 6th in points allowed. The name of the game is keeping the other team from scoring, the rest of that shit is style points by comparison. The defense has been more than adequate. You're just like those idiot Sox fans that whine and bitch about how bad the bullpen is (it isn't) in the middle of a season where they're on a 110 win pace.

So yeah, go back to your fantasy league.

PS- oh, I missed that little nugget because I all I started hearing was in the middle of your post...to beat the Jags...right there you once again make my point- you discount the human element. This game was Jacksonville's SB (to this point). Once again, you have no concept of how a team can get up for an opponent, you reduce it to simple numbers. Fantasy league bullshit.
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The defense looked aggressive the first week. A embarrassment the next week. I’m just hoping it just a early season struggle . Not a year long issue of making ok QBs look elite
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I think a lot of it the first week was because they were facing Watson. You know you have to fill lanes and be aggressive to contain him. They lost Flowers and Chung early against Jax and never really seemed to recover. I anticipate that all of these issues will be ironed out as we get further in to the season. On paper, Detroit looks like a good place to get healthy and figure out some of the issues.
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bullshit

You completely discount the human element. Your previous post intimated that these guys should be perfect every time. We're two weeks in to the season yet you expect these guys to be in midseason form with a new DC and system after seeing minimal reps in the preseason. You talk about how bad the defense has been for the last 10 years...seems to me there have been 3 conference championships and 2 SB wins in that stretch of time. In 2016 the Pats defense finished the season ranked 8th overall and 1st in points allowed. Last year they finished 4th in points allowed. In 2015 they finished 9th overall and 7th in points allowed. In 2014 11th overall and 6th in points allowed. The name of the game is keeping the other team from scoring, the rest of that shit is style points by comparison. The defense has been more than adequate. You're just like those idiot Sox fans that whine and bitch about how bad the bullpen is (it isn't) in the middle of a season where they're on a 110 win pace.

So yeah, go back to your fantasy league.

PS- oh, I missed that little nugget because I all I started hearing was in the middle of your post...to beat the Jags...right there you once again make my point- you discount the human element. This game was Jacksonville's SB (to this point). Once again, you have no concept of how a team can get up for an opponent, you reduce it to simple numbers. Fantasy league bullshit.

2nd game of the season? Sure. How about the superbowl should they have been in mid season form then? I mean it looks like the same issue they have had for years. Not being able to cover backs, or quick receivers across the middle.

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I think a lot of it the first week was because they were facing Watson. You know you have to fill lanes and be aggressive to contain him. They lost Flowers and Chung early against Jax and never really seemed to recover. I anticipate that all of these issues will be ironed out as we get further in to the season. On paper, Detroit looks like a good place to get healthy and figure out some of the issues.
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bullshit

You completely discount the human element. Your previous post intimated that these guys should be perfect every time. We're two weeks in to the season yet you expect these guys to be in midseason form with a new DC and system after seeing minimal reps in the preseason. You talk about how bad the defense has been for the last 10 years...seems to me there have been 3 conference championships and 2 SB wins in that stretch of time. In 2016 the Pats defense finished the season ranked 8th overall and 1st in points allowed. Last year they finished 4th in points allowed. In 2015 they finished 9th overall and 7th in points allowed. In 2014 11th overall and 6th in points allowed. The name of the game is keeping the other team from scoring, the rest of that shit is style points by comparison. The defense has been more than adequate. You're just like those idiot Sox fans that whine and bitch about how bad the bullpen is (it isn't) in the middle of a season where they're on a 110 win pace.

So yeah, go back to your fantasy league.

PS- oh, I missed that little nugget because I all I started hearing was in the middle of your post...to beat the Jags...right there you once again make my point- you discount the human element. This game was Jacksonville's SB (to this point). Once again, you have no concept of how a team can get up for an opponent, you reduce it to simple numbers. Fantasy league bullshit.
I totally agree with that the Jags were amped up for that game and everyone on Jags played primo. However, it is REALLY TOUGH to excuse the Pats D severe lack of Pass Rush, inability of anyone on the front 7 to contain Bortles running, and the incredible inability of the Pats DBs covering Jags WR to PLAY THE BALL while covering the WR. Pats desperately need bonafide new secondary coach who knows and can teach m-2-m press pass coverage. Without this, there are other teams with a MUCH BETTER passing O coming up that will also torch the Pats D.
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I totally agree with that the Jags were amped up for that game and everyone on Jags played primo. However, it is REALLY TOUGH to excuse the Pats D severe lack of Pass Rush, inability of anyone on the front 7 to contain Bortles running, and the incredible inability of the Pats DBs covering Jags WR to PLAY THE BALL while covering the WR. Pats desperately need bonafide new secondary coach who knows and can teach m-2-m press pass coverage. Without this, there are other teams with a MUCH BETTER passing O coming up that will also torch the Pats D.
I'm not excusing it at all. All I'm saying is that you can't just break everything down to emotionless numbers. Straight statistics are what fantasy sports are built on...and anybody that knows me knows how I feel about fantasy sports so there's really no need to get in to it any further.
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Stafford will throw for probably 350, 3 TDs, and one pick. The combantion of Jones, Golloway, and Tate is scary, and Stafford has been barely missing jones on some huge plays for the last two games. I really hope I'm wrong, but this offense will have to put up 30 plus every week to win. Time will tell. At least it is nothing new, and nothing that can't be overcome. The bad thing is they won't get lucky enough to draw the Titians in the first round of playoffs this time.
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Stafford will throw for probably 350, 3 TDs, and one pick. The combantion of Jones, Golloway, and Tate is scary, and Stafford has been barely missing jones on some huge plays for the last two games. I really hope I'm wrong, but this offense will have to put up 30 plus every week to win. Time will tell. At least it is nothing new, and nothing that can't be overcome. The bad thing is they won't get lucky enough to draw the Titians in the first round of playoffs this time.
They won with 27 two weeks ago. With two short fields.
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