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Old 11-14-2017, 02:51 PM   #46
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Hopefully that's an argument more to your satisfaction.
It was! .+1

I still like Montana better.

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Old 11-14-2017, 02:57 PM   #47
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People arguing Montana is better than Brady are the football equivalent of fools thinking the world is flat. There is absolutely no rationale that can be used to argue Montana was better at this point. It's not even close regardless of however you look at it.
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People arguing their argument is so self evident they don't even need to argue it are making a terrible argument

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Old 11-14-2017, 03:18 PM   #49
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Yes, Harvey did have the weapons alongside him AND he revolutionized the way defensemen played defense before Orr stepped foot on the ice.
He did.

Not to Orr’s degree.

Case in point: is he ever mentioned as the greatest player ever?

Short answer?

No.

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Montana had a clear advantage having Rice far longer than Brady had Moss.

To be fair to Joe, though, he won his first Super Bowl before Rice. The best receiver on that '81 team was probably Freddie Solomon. JAG.
Brady had Moss for a blink of the eye compared to Montana Rice.

And spare me the Solomon whine. Brady took Reche fvcking Caldwell to the AFCCG.
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Old 11-14-2017, 03:19 PM   #50
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Would you guys get more upset if I suggested Brady wasn't the best ever or implied Bobby Orr wasn't the best ever?
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People arguing their argument is so self evident they don't even need to argue it are making a terrible argument

Make one that isn't "Never lost a Super Bowl" or "Never threw an interception in a Super bowl", which are both stupid.
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Old 11-14-2017, 03:21 PM   #53
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Would you guys get more upset if I suggested Brady wasn't the best ever or implied Bobby Orr wasn't the best ever?
Brady's obviously the best. You can have decent arguments about Orr's place in hockey.
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Make one that isn't "Never lost a Super Bowl" or "Never threw an interception in a Super bowl", which are both stupid.
That last one is pretty impressive though.

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Brady's obviously the best. You can have decent arguments about Orr's place in hockey.
Cool, I want to make sure I maximize my trolling potential.

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Old 11-14-2017, 03:23 PM   #55
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That last one is pretty impressive though.
It's a cool stat, but the Montana worshippers never tell us a good reason why we should value that stat as highly as they do.

They overvalue it because it's all they have left.
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Old 11-14-2017, 03:25 PM   #56
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That last one is pretty impressive though.
To be fair, there's thousands of QBs who have never thrown an Int in the Super Bowl. For example, Jacoby Brissett has never thrown an Int in the Super Bowl.



and yes, most of those QBs have not started in 4 Super Bowls. Just saying, it probably could use more context in order to actually be impressive
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It's a cool stat, but the Montana worshippers never tell us a good reason why we should value that stat as highly as they do.

They overvalue it because it's all they have left.
Ehh it's something along the lines of "played his best when the stakes were highest" or something. It's neat and overall impressive but not a convincing argument.
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Ehh it's something along the lines of "played his best when the stakes were highest" or something. It's neat and overall impressive but not a convincing argument.
Right. Brady proponents will stipulate that Joe was cool and clutch in big games. Agreed. But Brady is too, so they need to argue why the guy who has the superior numbers and accomplishments pretty much everywhere is actually second. A tall order.
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Ehh it's something along the lines of "played his best when the stakes were highest" or something. It's neat and overall impressive but not a convincing argument.

And Brady hasn't?
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Ehh it's something along the lines of "played his best when the stakes were highest" or something. It's neat and overall impressive but not a convincing argument.
So kind of like being down 28-3 with 3 and change left in the 3rd?
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