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Old 04-25-2020, 07:34 PM   #1681
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Which was an observation congruent with the original assertion I made back in post#1660.


That's good! It means this virus is less lethal than we thought and we are closer to herd immunity.
Itís a math fail.

He has no idea when he makes that claim that he in turn comes into agreement the lethality drops.
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Old 04-25-2020, 08:08 PM   #1682
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Youíre like that commercial running about the property owners with a clogging issue or a Ratt problem, only instead of tap dancing or Round & Round itís Trump doing an Irish jig between your ears.



He owns space in your head. Heís dancing in there. And thereís nothing you can do!



Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!





Oops, I think he just farted!

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Why isnít it decimating the giant homeless populations in SF and LA?

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Still less than bad flu year.


Worse than the flu?
Over 62,000 dead in two months.
Flu season lasts what, 3-4 months?


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Old 04-25-2020, 09:10 PM   #1683
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You’re like that commercial running about the property owners with a clogging issue or a Ratt problem, only instead of tap dancing or Round & Round it’s Trump doing an Irish jig between your ears.

He owns space in your head. He’s dancing in there. And there’s nothing you can do!

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!


Oops, I think he just farted!

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Why isn’t it decimating the giant homeless populations in SF and LA?




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Has nothing to do with tracing those spring breakers which is what that reply was about. Have they been tested? For all you know they could all have been exposed and have antibodies? Maybe they're all old and stayed at home like you suggest old people do or just maybe they've been ingesting disinfectants.



Still less than bad flu year.
Alternate facts i see...Well you do study under Faux university so that to be expected.

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Worse than the flu?
Over 62,000 dead in two months.
Flu season lasts what, 3-4 months?


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Now don't go confusing him with facts not covered by Faux or if you want to convince him just tell him that Hannity said it.

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Old 04-25-2020, 09:27 PM   #1684
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Itís a math fail.

He has no idea when he makes that claim that he in turn comes into agreement the lethality drops.
yeah except I wasn't addressing lethality It was about communicability. I think I'm in your head now...worse than Pelosi is.

Why am i not surprised
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yeah except I wasn't addressing lethality It was about communicability. I think I'm in your head now...worse than Pelosi is.

Why am i not surprised
Sheís not in my head.

Thereís no ice cream in there.

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Worse than the flu?
Over 62,000 dead in two months.
Flu season lasts what, 3-4 months?


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2018.

80,000.

Didnít know, did you?
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Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

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https://www.equedia.com/the-real-rea...s-are-so-high/

Hmmm...

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“Right now Medicare is determining that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator you get $39,000, three times as much. Nobody can tell me after 35 years in the world of medicine that sometimes those kinds of things impact on what we do.”

Take a look:

It sounds crazy, but that’s what is happening right now.

Now get this.

Via AP News:

“As health officials around the world push to get more ventilators to treat coronavirus patients, some doctors are moving away from using the breathing machines when they can.

The reason: Some hospitals have reported unusually high death rates for coronavirus patients on ventilators, and some doctors worry that the machines could be harming certain patients.”

Now, recall that, “if that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator (the hospital) gets $39,000.” Interesting.

What do you make of all this?

Perhaps there is a bright side to this: While millions are losing their jobs, and potentially their homes, at least the hospitals are getting more funding.
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When you know how much someones freezers cost and what their brand of ice cream is
they're in your head .



2018.

80,000.

Didn’t know, did you?
Yes I did
We're only a few months in and not nearly done yet last I saw just shy of 55k dead. I Believe before this is done we'll top 100K easily.
Also just saw a report that said there is no proof yet that having antibodies will provide herd immunity.

Here is a graph showing the daily us deaths up thru 4/25....not very stable.
On 4/16 4928 died in a single day.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-usa

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Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

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https://www.equedia.com/the-real-rea...s-are-so-high/

Hmmm...

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ďRight now Medicare is determining that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital youíll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator you get $39,000, three times as much. Nobody can tell me after 35 years in the world of medicine that sometimes those kinds of things impact on what we do.Ē

Take a look:

It sounds crazy, but thatís what is happening right now.

Now get this.

Via AP News:

ďAs health officials around the world push to get more ventilators to treat coronavirus patients, some doctors are moving away from using the breathing machines when they can.

The reason: Some hospitals have reported unusually high death rates for coronavirus patients on ventilators, and some doctors worry that the machines could be harming certain patients.Ē

Now, recall that, ďif that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator (the hospital) gets $39,000.Ē Interesting.

What do you make of all this?

Perhaps there is a bright side to this: While millions are losing their jobs, and potentially their homes, at least the hospitals are getting more funding.
Not surprising. Doctors not wanting to put people on ventilators is because once on a ventilator the chance of survival is about 20% and the longer they are on one that number drops even lower.
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Old 04-26-2020, 12:34 AM   #1690
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Yes I did
We're only a few months in and not nearly done yet last I saw just shy of 55k dead. I Believe before this is done we'll top 100K easily.
Also just saw a report that said there is no proof yet that having antibodies will provide herd immunity.

Here is a graph showing the daily us deaths up thru 4/25....not very stable.
On 4/16 4928 died in a single day.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-usa
Or, you know, you watch programming that gives facts vs blowhard leftist 24/7 opinions.

So 2018 , 80K dead. No big whoop. Deal with it.

2020. Weíre ALMOST at 55K. Economic shutdown. Constitutional rights squashed. $6 trillion in relief.

Sounds rational.


Oh wait. It is an election year.
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Or, you know, you watch programming that gives facts vs blowhard leftist 24/7 opinions.

So 2018 , 80K dead. No big whoop. Deal with it.

2020. Weíre ALMOST at 55K. Economic shutdown. Constitutional rights squashed. $6 trillion in relief.

Sounds rational.


Oh wait. It is an election year.
I deal with it every year for more years than you have.

55k dead so far with mitigation, stay at home orders, mask, not to mention hand sanitizer and hand washing up the whazoo. Without everything we've done so far we'd have already surpassed that 80k number in just 2 months.

Its a pandemic for gods sake why do you seem to think letting hundreds of thousands of people die would have benefited any politicians re-elections chances?
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"The data is in ó stop the panic and end the total isolation"

The tragedy of the COVID-19 pandemic appears to be entering the containment phase. Tens of thousands of Americans have died, and Americans are now desperate for sensible policymakers who have the courage to ignore the panic and rely on facts. Leaders must examine accumulated data to see what has actually happened, rather than keep emphasizing hypothetical projections; combine that empirical evidence with fundamental principles of biology established for decades; and then thoughtfully restore the country to function.

Five key facts are being ignored by those calling for continuing the near-total lockdown.

Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.

The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent, a risk far lower than previous World Health Organization estimates that were 20 to 30 times higher and that motivated isolation policies.

In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent, or 11 per 100,000 in the population. On the other hand, people aged 75 and over have a death rate 80 times that. For people under 18 years old, the rate of death is zero per 100,000.

Of all fatal cases in New York state, two-thirds were in patients over 70 years of age; more than 95 percent were over 50 years of age; and about 90 percent of all fatal cases had an underlying illness. Of 6,570 confirmed COVID-19 deaths fully investigated for underlying conditions to date, 6,520, or 99.2 percent, had an underlying illness. If you do not already have an underlying chronic condition, your chances of dying are small, regardless of age. And young adults and children in normal health have almost no risk of any serious illness from COVID-19.

Fact 2: Protecting older, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.

We can learn about hospital utilization from data from New York City, the hotbed of COVID-19 with more than 34,600 hospitalizations to date. For those under 18 years of age, hospitalization from the virus is 0.01 percent per 100,000 people; for those 18 to 44 years old, hospitalization is 0.1 percent per 100,000. Even for people ages 65 to 74, only 1.7 percent were hospitalized. Of 4,103 confirmed COVID-19 patients with symptoms bad enough to seek medical care, Dr. Leora Horwitz of NYU Medical Center concluded "age is far and away the strongest risk factor for hospitalization." Even early WHO reports noted that 80 percent of all cases were mild, and more recent studies show a far more widespread rate of infection and lower rate of serious illness. Half of all people testing positive for infection have no symptoms at all. The vast majority of younger, otherwise healthy people do not need significant medical care if they catch this infection.

Fact 3: Vital population immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem.

We know from decades of medical science that infection itself allows people to generate an immune response - antibodies - so that the infection is controlled throughout the population by "herd immunity." Indeed, that is the main purpose of widespread immunization in other viral diseases - to assist with population immunity. In this virus, we know that medical care is not even necessary for the vast majority of people who are infected. It is so mild that half of infected people are asymptomatic, shown in early data from the Diamond Princess ship, and then in Iceland and Italy. That has been falsely portrayed as a problem requiring mass isolation. In fact, infected people without severe illness are the immediately available vehicle for establishing widespread immunity. By transmitting the virus to others in the low-risk group who then generate antibodies, they block the network of pathways toward the most vulnerable people, ultimately ending the threat. Extending whole-population isolation would directly prevent that widespread immunity from developing.

Fact 4: People are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections.

Critical health care for millions of Americans is being ignored and people are dying to accommodate "potential" COVID-19 patients and for fear of spreading the disease. Most states and many hospitals abruptly stopped "nonessential" procedures and surgery. That prevented diagnoses of life-threatening diseases, like cancer screening, biopsies of tumors now undiscovered and potentially deadly brain aneurysms. Treatments, including emergency care, for the most serious illnesses were also missed. Cancer patients deferred chemotherapy. An estimated 80 percent of brain surgery cases were skipped. Acute stroke and heart attack patients missed their only chances for treatment, some dying and many now facing permanent disability.

Fact 5: We have a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected with targeted measures.

The overwhelming evidence all over the world consistently shows that a clearly defined group - older people and others with underlying conditions - is more likely to have a serious illness requiring hospitalization and more likely to die from COVID-19. Knowing that, it is a commonsense, achievable goal to target isolation policy to that group, including strictly monitoring those who interact with them. Nursing home residents, the highest risk, should be the most straightforward to systematically protect from infected people, given that they already live in confined places with highly restricted entry.

The appropriate policy, based on fundamental biology and the evidence already in hand, is to institute a more focused strategy like some outlined in the first place: Strictly protect the known vulnerable, self-isolate the mildly sick and open most workplaces and small businesses with some prudent large-group precautions. This would allow the essential socializing to generate immunity among those with minimal risk of serious consequence, while saving lives, preventing overcrowding of hospitals and limiting the enormous harms compounded by continued total isolation. Let's stop underemphasizing empirical evidence while instead doubling down on hypothetical models. Facts matter.

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Old 04-26-2020, 09:00 AM   #1695
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Its a pandemic for gods sake why do you seem to think letting hundreds of thousands of people die would have benefited any politicians re-elections chances?
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