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Old 05-05-2014, 07:56 AM   #16
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Raymond Berry (the first Pats coach to ever win a playoff game, as well as get them to a superbowl) should go in the Pats hall of fame before Parcells.
This. Or Petey Carroll who had a better record than Parcells did when he was here.

Parcells forfeited his chance at any Patriots recognition when he was busy tampering with the Jets, when he should have been game planning to put a TE next to Max Lane to chip on Reggie White. Or to give Curtis Martin more touches when he was gashing the middle of the Packers defense.

So no. **** Bill Parcells. Turning a horrible team into a good one after helping to draft a franchise QB, should he really get a ton of credit for that? I mean, that's all Polian ever did. Do we hold Polian in that same regard? Wow, he didn't screw up the #1 overall pick. Good work. He won exactly one more playoff game than Pete Carroll. Yay.
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Old 05-06-2014, 04:29 PM   #17
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This. Or Petey Carroll who had a better record than Parcells did when he was here.

Parcells forfeited his chance at any Patriots recognition when he was busy tampering with the Jets, when he should have been game planning to put a TE next to Max Lane to chip on Reggie White. Or to give Curtis Martin more touches when he was gashing the middle of the Packers defense.

So no. **** Bill Parcells. Turning a horrible team into a good one after helping to draft a franchise QB, should he really get a ton of credit for that? I mean, that's all Polian ever did. Do we hold Polian in that same regard? Wow, he didn't screw up the #1 overall pick. Good work. He won exactly one more playoff game than Pete Carroll. Yay.
Polian didn't coach the Colts. Parcells turned a bunch of turkeys into a unit that could execute on both sides of the ball.
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Old 09-26-2014, 09:07 AM   #18
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Pretty sure if Parcells didn't take the Pats job (and add much needed legitmacy to the franchise), Kraft would have not have bought the team and this franchise would have moved to St. Louis.

The crap that went down before SB 31 was bad, but let's not pretend he's Judas either. I say absolutely put him into the Pats HOF.
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Old 09-26-2014, 09:08 AM   #19
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Pretty sure if Parcells didn't take the Pats job (and add much needed legitmacy to the franchise), Kraft would have not have bought the team and this franchise would have moved to St. Louis.

The crap that went down before SB 31 was bad, but let's not pretend he's Judas either. I say absolutely put him into the Pats HOF.

He'd make a great doorstop
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Pretty sure if Parcells didn't take the Pats job (and add much needed legitmacy to the franchise), Kraft would have not have bought the team and this franchise would have moved to St. Louis.

The crap that went down before SB 31 was bad, but let's not pretend he's Judas either. I say absolutely put him into the Pats HOF.
Greatest thing Parcels did in New England was to leave and teach Kraft to stay out of the Football Operations.
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Greatest thing Parcels did in New England was to leave and teach Kraft to stay out of the Football Operations.


Which lead to BB and put Parcells in the HOF in my book.
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Which lead to BB and put Parcells in the HOF in my book.
oh don't get me wrong, he does belong because he made the team legit.

think about the last 3 HC of the NEP
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James Orthwein deserves more credit than Parcells for the current success of the Patriots, since his attempt to move the team to St Louis prompted Mr Kraft to refuse to break the stadium lease and to subsequently buy him out.

Thanks, Mr Orthwein
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James Orthwein deserves more credit than Parcells for the current success of the Patriots, since his attempt to move the team to St Louis prompted Mr Kraft to refuse to break the stadium lease and to subsequently buy him out.

Thanks, Mr Orthwein

A statue of him shaking Mo Lewis' hand should be in the Pats Hall.
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Pretty sure if Parcells didn't take the Pats job (and add much needed legitmacy to the franchise), Kraft would have not have bought the team and this franchise would have moved to St. Louis.

The crap that went down before SB 31 was bad, but let's not pretend he's Judas either. I say absolutely put him into the Pats HOF.
I'd put him in the Pats HOH, too, as a tour guide. A .500 winning percentage is not HOH worthy. Oh, yea, fvck him. We can disagree about this over delicious, nutritious Yuenglings next month.
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Pretty sure if Parcells didn't take the Pats job (and add much needed legitmacy to the franchise), Kraft would have not have bought the team and this franchise would have moved to St. Louis.

The crap that went down before SB 31 was bad, but let's not pretend he's Judas either. I say absolutely put him into the Pats HOF.

Disagree with this 100 percent. No wait.... a thousand percent.

Kraft loved this team, owned the stadium, aaaaand had a sweetheart deal with the Pats that tied them to the stadium. Wicked small dollars to stay, a hundred gazillion billion dollars to leave. When Sullivan had to sell the team, many kicked the tires on it, but didn't bite BECAUSE of the stadium lease. Trump was on this list. So was Tom Clancy. They approached Kraft about breaking the lease but he said, "Nope, move and I'll be looking for my gazillion billion" so they ultimately walked away. Orthwein bought anyway, figuring that cooler heads would prevail and cash on the barrellhead would win the day, only to final come to realization that the minute Sullivan signed the deal with K-Corp (Kraft and Karp) that the team would ultimately end up in Kraft's hands.

Parcells had NOTHING to do with any of this.
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So you don't think Parcells added any legitimacy to this organization? None at all? The Patriots were a loser on and off the field until 1994 (when Parcells came, the season ticket sell out streak etc) and the team became financially viable. You think Kraft invests that much money into this team if they were doomed to become an eternal failure (on and off the field?). Not sure having Dick McPherson at the helm would have motivated anyone local to buy this team.

Oh, and If losing a Super Bowl dooms a coach, not sure how Belichick gets off easy considering his effort in the 2007 Super Bowl was a disaster, too. I say 'yes' to Tuna.
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So you don't think Parcells added any legitimacy to this organization? None at all? The Patriots were a loser on and off the field until 1994 (when Parcells came, the season ticket sell out streak etc) and the team became financially viable. You think Kraft invests that much money into this team if they were doomed to become an eternal failure (on and off the field?). Not sure having Dick McPherson at the helm would have motivated anyone local to buy this team.

Oh, and If losing a Super Bowl dooms a coach, not sure how Belichick gets off easy considering his effort in the 2007 Super Bowl was a disaster, too. I say 'yes' to Tuna.
I think the lies and sneaking behind the scenes to become Jets boss is what is the nut punch to most pats fans. If he was the 1st HC of the NEP to do that it would be OK (right Fairbanks) but he was the second that I can recall to do so.
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I think the lies and sneaking behind the scenes to become Jets boss is what is the nut punch to most pats fans. If he was the 1st HC of the NEP to do that it would be OK (right Fairbanks) but he was the second that I can recall to do so.
Don't disagree at all. I just don't think should invalidate what he did before that final year.
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