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Old 07-17-2017, 12:35 PM   #4216
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Did you listen to his interviews and how broken down his body is? I doubt he is able to reach those numbers again as I don't see him playing a full season without getting injured. He said it would hurt just to practice in shells.
I saw him on DWTS a couple of times. He looked perfectly fit. He moved with effortless grace and strength. You think he could have been setting up the Lions to release him in those interviews?
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:40 PM   #4217
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I saw him on DWTS a couple of times. He looked perfectly fit. He moved with effortless grace and strength. You think he could have been setting up the Lions to release him in those interviews?
It is possible but he really sounded beaten down. He said he was so tired of losing and putting his body on the line every week. He said it hurt just to catch the ball.

I do think it would be fun to see him with Carr but I do think his best years are behind him. I also doubt the Lions let him out of his contract either. He is basically Barry Sanders 2.0 which is a shame.
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:54 PM   #4218
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It is possible but he really sounded beaten down. He said he was so tired of losing and putting his body on the line every week. He said it hurt just to catch the ball.

I do think it would be fun to see him with Carr but I do think his best years are behind him. I also doubt the Lions let him out of his contract either. He is basically Barry Sanders 2.0 which is a shame.
It's possible the Lions could keep him except:
1. Cap space. The Lions are $6M shy right now.
2. He won't play for the Lions. That's why he retired.

From the Detroit Free Press:
Johnson pretty much trashed his former team during a news conference in Italy last week. From a guy who’s usually reserved and classy, it felt awkward.
“I was stuck in my contract in Detroit,” he told reporters. “…I didn’t see a chance for them to win a Super Bowl at the time, and for the work I was putting in, it wasn’t worth my time to keep on beating my head against the wall.”
He then added, “It’s the definition of insanity.”


“In basketball, you know, guys create these superteams,” Johnson said. “But it’s not quite like that in football where I had the freedom just to go.”
He spoke almost enviously of Marshawn Lynch, who is coming out of retirement to play for the Oakland Raiders. Lynch, according to Johnson, is in “a great situation” because he could switch teams -- even though the Raiders have had one winning season in the last 14 years. “If I was to keep playing, I’d have to play in Detroit and it just wasn’t for me anymore.”


“I just didn’t feel like I was treated the way I should have been treated on the way out,” he told the media.


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It's possible the Lions could keep him except:
1. Cap space. The Lions are $6M shy right now.
2. He won't play for the Lions. That's why he retired.

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Johnson pretty much trashed his former team during a news conference in Italy last week. From a guy who’s usually reserved and classy, it felt awkward.
“I was stuck in my contract in Detroit,” he told reporters. “…I didn’t see a chance for them to win a Super Bowl at the time, and for the work I was putting in, it wasn’t worth my time to keep on beating my head against the wall.”
He then added, “It’s the definition of insanity.”


“In basketball, you know, guys create these superteams,” Johnson said. “But it’s not quite like that in football where I had the freedom just to go.”
He spoke almost enviously of Marshawn Lynch, who is coming out of retirement to play for the Oakland Raiders. Lynch, according to Johnson, is in “a great situation” because he could switch teams -- even though the Raiders have had one winning season in the last 14 years. “If I was to keep playing, I’d have to play in Detroit and it just wasn’t for me anymore.”


“I just didn’t feel like I was treated the way I should have been treated on the way out,” he told the media.


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Johnson sounds so bitter. I don't blame him. I don't see the Lions letting him go as it got personal at the end with them asking for some of his bonus back and he has pretty much been bad mouthing them since. Lynch left Seattle on good terms. Plus, Seattle has moved on with a new RB. I get the sense the Lions are a vindictive team.
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If retired Detroit Lions wide receiver Calvin Johnson actually wants to play for the Oakland Raiders, it may be as simple as him filing paperwork to unretire according to former NFL agent Joel Corry.
Corry tweeted late last week, informing fans that “Johnson can apply for reinstatement at any time. [His] old deal [would] count [against the] Lions’ salary cap upon return, which would likely lead to release.”
When Johnson retired from football in March of 2016, he cleared over $11 million in salary cap space for Detroit, per Spotrac.
However, the Lions have just $5.75 million in cap space currently per Over The Cap, meaning Johnson’s massive cap hit (should he un-retire) could force the team to release him against their own wishes.
Monday, Lions president Rod Wood issued Johnson an invitation to the team’s training camp in Allen Park, Mich. on WJR Radio, as reported by ESPN, making Corry’s position all the more intriguing.
Lions fans shouldn’t get their hopes up that Johnson will accept any invitation, however, after his recent statements.
Johnson stated the following about Detroit last week in an FIDAF TV press conference: “For the work I was putting in, it wasn’t worth my time to keep on beating my head against the wall and not going anywhere,”
Earlier this offseason Johnson spent one week with the Raiders as a guest of offensive coordinator Todd Downing, even hitting the links with Downing, coach Jack Del Rio and franchise quarterback Derek Carr.
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Six straight Pro Bowls. Three times and All Pro. That’s what Calvin Johnson aka ‘Megatron’ had accomplished by the age of 30 when he up and retired from football. It was the most surprising retirement since Barry Sanders walked away from these same Lions at the same age.
Megatron doesn’t play a position with the short shelf life as Sanders had as a running back. Even though he wasn’t quite the dominant receiver he had been a few years before, most would say Johnson still had a few years left. He just didn’t want those years to be in Detroit.
At this stage of Johnson’s career, he saw a dead end in Detroit and wanted to go somewhere he felt he could get a ring. But the Lions refused to let him out of his contract, so he retired. Johnson spoke on his situation in a press conference while a guest of the Italian Bowl.


“I don’t have the freedom just to go,” Johnson said. “I was stuck in my contract with Detroit and they told me they would not release my contract, so I would have to come back to them, so I didn’t see a chance for them to win a Super Bowl at the time and for the work that I was putting in, it wasn’t worth my time to keep beating my head against the wall and not going anywhere. It’s the definition of insanity.”


Johnson added that he has definitely thought about playing for other teams in the league. The question is which team or teams would be of interest to him should the Lions somehow decide to let him out of his contract.
This situation is a lot like that of Marshawn Lynch, of whom the Raiders lured out of retirement this offseason. In that instance, the Seahawks didn’t let Lynch out of his contract, they simply couldn’t afford it, so they traded him to the Raiders and the two sides negotiated a new deal.

Johnson was invited to Raiders practices this offseason as a guest of new offensive coordinator, Todd Downing. The two knew each other from Downing’s days as the QB coach in Detroit.



“He’s in a great situation,” Johnson said of Lynch in Oakland.
It is a situation that was facilitated in part by the strong relationship between Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie and Seahawks GM John Schneider who worked together for many years in Green Bay. The powers that be in Detroit appear to be far less eager to give in to Johnson’s requests.
Just the presence of Megatron at Raiders’ practice had fans salivating at the thought of him catching passes from Derek Carr.
The fans aren’t the only ones.



Johnson would like that as well. He was asked which NFL quarterbacks he’d most like to play with and Derek Carr made the short list.
Brett Favre,” Johnson said as his top choice to play with. “When I came into the league, he was on his way out, but I got to see him play in Green Bay. Aaron Rodgers is another Green Bay guy who has a cannon for an arm. There’s a young cat that I just met; Derek Carr out of Oakland. I really like that guy.”


So, it seems the Raiders’ newly extended franchise QB has made a strong impression on another unemployed star player. He had visited with several other players who visited the team, including Lynch, and they each came away wanting to play with him.


I’m sure his comeback wins to lead the Raiders to a 12-3 record last season, making them a favorite for a run at the Super Bowl helps his case as well.


You can see the entire press conference here. It’s a bit long with each question and answer translated between Italian and English.

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I'm not scared of players coming out of retirement. I can only think of one in any sport who came back to be as good as they were before retirement. And that was only after the first retirement not the second.
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I don't think anyone is scared. It's just interesting that he retired bc 1) the Lions wouldn't release or trade him, 2) that he'd want to play for the Raiders and that 3) he's bad-mouthing the Lions the way he is after they paid him $140M.
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Yeah. I agree. Once you go there, you never come back the same.
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Yeah. I agree. Once you go there, you never come back the same.
Almost always a bad idea. When I think of always in this case, George Foreman is really all that comes to mind. I'm sure there's a few more.

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Yeah. Not to bad - Numbers well down but still good rebounding and defense. And still great to watch.

I guess I have really always thought of Foreman in this context. Been amazed at his retiring at age 27, returning to ring ten years later at age thirty-seven and winning over thirty more fights and reclaiming his world title, while fighting 11 more years before retiring at 48.

I'm sure there's a good group of folks who returned at least somewhat "successfully".
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Yeah. Not to bad - Numbers well down but still good rebounding and defense. And still great to watch.

I guess I have really always thought of Foreman in this context. Been amazed at his retiring at age 27, returning to ring ten years later at age thirty-seven and winning over thirty more fights and reclaiming his world title, while fighting 11 more years before retiring at 48.

I'm sure there's a good group of folks who returned at least somewhat "successfully".
One of the last things to go for a fighter, especially a heavyweight, is punching power. That's why like half of the UFC heavyweight roster is pushing 40.
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