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Old 07-17-2017, 02:04 PM   #31
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I was simply making light of the situation.

But, you need to remember that it isn't just the political left that we're up against. It's the media as well. They enforce the narrative. Breaking through that is the challenge.
I don't believe you fight lies with more or better constructed lies.

You fight lies with truth.
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Old 07-17-2017, 02:06 PM   #32
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I don't believe you fight lies with more or better constructed lies.

You fight lies with truth.
Agreed. I don't support lies.
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Old 07-17-2017, 02:46 PM   #33
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oh, and here's the author of that article you referenced-

Natasha Bertrand-

Natasha is a senior reporter at Business Insider. She writes mainly about geopolitics, national security, and foreign policy.
Before joining Business Insider, Natasha worked at a political think tank in Madrid, Spain, researching EU relations with the Middle East and North Africa. Later, she served as the CSR intern at the oil and gas industry association for environmental and social issues in London, focusing on human rights and sustainable development.
She is an alumna*of Vassar College and the London School of Economics.


I'm SURE there's no agenda there. Her sources are writers for NYT Magazine and Politico.

She is kind of hawt though, I'll give her that...
Easy there.

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Old 07-17-2017, 02:57 PM   #34
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I don't believe you fight lies with more or better constructed lies.

You fight lies with truth.
Yeah...and unicorns.

The truth is irrelevant. Perception becomes truth.

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Who is this self-important instigating douche-bag, anyway?
Dude, Baron has been a valued member of this forum for quite some time.

Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
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Old 07-17-2017, 03:01 PM   #35
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Yeah...and unicorns.

The truth is irrelevant. Perception becomes truth.

Baron, the beauty of a finite life is it affords you the privilege to take a principled stance occasionally.

Truth is the only thing that is ever relevent. Even if no one chooses to aknowledge it.
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Old 07-17-2017, 03:07 PM   #36
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Easy there.

This guy-
= sarcasm

(unless I'm using him wrong?)
No, you're right, my misinterpretation.

She is kind of hawt though...
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Know who else will fight?

President Camacho.

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President Camacho.

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Baron, the beauty of a finite life is it affords you the privilege to take a principled stance occasionally.

Truth is the only thing that is ever relevent. Even if no one chooses to aknowledge it.
Truth is a story agreed upon by enough people, that may or may not agree with reality.
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Who is this self-important instigating douche-bag, anyway?
Dude, Baron has been a valued member of this forum for quite some time.

Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
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Old 07-17-2017, 05:18 PM   #40
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Truth is a story agreed upon by enough people, that may or may not agree with reality.
Baron, I've seen what happens when societies become too comfortable with lies and deception.

Human misery and atrocity await. I won't contribute to that even if everyone else is doing it as you seem to cynically claim. Lies are what made the Soviet gulags system happen and truth is what destroyed it

Truth always wins in the end. No matter how much we tell ourselves otherwise.
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Old 07-17-2017, 06:14 PM   #41
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I don't believe you fight lies with more or better constructed lies.

You fight lies with truth.
WRT to OZO's point on the media, it's not so much the lies, and make no mistake, there are liars out there.. but it's more what they DON'T report that's more concerning. As I've noted before, any web page you visit, someone else decides what you see. It's even in print... what's the headline vs what's buried on page 22?
People need to be more skeptical and cross check everything they see and read. I like CSpan for TV since it's not edited to convey whatever half message the editor is selling today.
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WRT to OZO's point on the media, it's not so much the lies, and make no mistake, there are liars out there.. but it's more what they DON'T report that's more concerning. As I've noted before, any web page you visit, someone else decides what you see. It's even in print... what's the headline vs what's buried on page 22?
People need to be more skeptical and cross check everything they see and read. I like CSpan for TV since it's not edited to convey whatever half message the editor is selling today.
Those are just different kind of lies. Fortunately, they're not very resistant to sunlight.
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Those are just different kind of lies. Fortunately, they're not very resistant to sunlight.
Lies of omission

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Old 07-17-2017, 09:04 PM   #44
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Wait...you actually believe this? Like, honestly believe it?

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