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Old 01-23-2018, 04:06 PM   #16
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I'd suggest modifying the "suspended player being out till the concussed player is back" to "they're out until the concussed player is cleared to play" to prevent ****ery
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Hope so.

Everyone's just assuming Gronkowski will be good to go for the Super Bowl.

Gilmore missed 17+ days of action with a concussion earlier this year. It's not a guarantee.
Can't they just say that something got in his eye like little Cammie? Yeah Yeah, he had a cornea abrasion
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Old 01-23-2018, 05:27 PM   #18
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Bill Belichick says he can't judge intent, but I can. Or at least I can admit it.

Barry Church did what he did deliberately because he saw what happened when Tennessee's Jonathan Cyprien did the same thing to Travis Kelce -- his team won the game and nothing much happened to Cyprien as far as I know. I'll bet that privately Church's teammates were congratulating him for wiping out the best TE in football.

So, what is to stop McCourty from doing the same thing to Zack Ertz? Or Malcolm Jenkins hitting Gronk in the squash again (assuming). Such a move is dirty and sickening, and should have no place in the NFL but it's also, based on the rules, a smart move that is well worth the penalty.

Cyprien and Church should have immediately gotten tossed and suspended AND fined heavily. It should be mandatory for anybody going H2H. The league has to make it hurt worse than it does for the dirty player. Yeah, let the refs and the replay cams wave it off if it looks to be inadvertant, but any idiot could see Church was headhunting.

You can't allow guys to try to deliberately knock somebody out cold. It's just not right.
Yup...they use it to their advantage.
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Old 01-23-2018, 05:34 PM   #19
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The JAGS get a bit of success and right away turn to the being dirty pieces of shit. Of course that asshole targeted Gronk. We were talking about this shit at work, there is only an upside to take a guy out with a head shot. He HAS to leave the game while you get to stay but your team gets a 15 yard penalty... it's a win win situation
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The JAGS get a bit of success and right away turn to the being dirty pieces of shit. Of course that asshole targeted Gronk. We were talking about this shit at work, there is only an upside to take a guy out with a head shot. He HAS to leave the game while you get to stay but your team gets a 15 yard penalty... it's a win win situation
Well, there's the possibility that you knock yourself out, too, so...
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Well, there's the possibility that you knock yourself out, too, so...
Yeah I see that angle too but the one doing the delivering is usually spared... Usually, have we all seen both guys get jacked up? Of course but still...
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Old 01-23-2018, 06:35 PM   #22
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If they change the rules as suggested by some here, then players will simply go low to hit a player.

Players that are simply trying to make a tackle will do this to avoid the punishment, those trying to knock a player out of a game will do this to target the knees.

In either case, you will have more knee injuries.

Not sure that's a better answer to the problem.
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If they change the rules as suggested by some here, then players will simply go low to hit a player.

Players that are simply trying to make a tackle will do this to avoid the punishment, those trying to knock a player out of a game will do this to target the knees.

In either case, you will have more knee injuries.

Not sure that's a better answer to the problem.
Knee injuries don't cause CTE however.
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Knee injuries don't cause CTE however.
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Knee injuries don't cause CTE however.
No, but they cost you two years of your career, which is limited already.
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Totally agree.
1. ejection
2. out as long the concussed player is out
3. $25K fine for 1st offense which goes up to $75K for 2nd offense and year suspension for 3rd offense.

Harsh but the injury is devastating over time.
IMO, this is the only thing that will stop head-hunting.

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I think some people forget how fast these guys are moving. Church was in a difficult position. Yes, the refs were right for calling a penalty but given the way things happened, he didn't have a whole lot of options. I don't know if people just expect him to pull up and let Gronk catch the ball. It looked to me like he tried to hit Gronk shoulder to shoulder and the natural result is your head is going to whiplash which led to their helmets hitting.
No, I expect him to hit Gronk or any receiver that same way that dozens of high-speed hits were made in that game without hitting the receiver or ball carrier in the head. Above the knee and below the neck, that's about four and a half FEET of target with Gronk. If Church knew he'd be tossed from the game for a blow to the head, he'd have knocked Gronk down without concussing him.
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Hope so.

Everyone's just assuming Gronkowski will be good to go for the Super Bowl.

Gilmore missed 17+ days of action with a concussion earlier this year. It's not a guarantee.
Gilmore missed 17+ days of action because he was sucking balls.

Most adults take about a week to get over a concussion.

With Gronk's brain being smaller and little-used, it should take even less.

He'll play.
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Well, there's the possibility that you knock yourself out, too, so...
Not really. If you are accelerating into the hit, your brain moves to the back of the cranium with all the cerebro-spinal fluid in front of it for cushion. That is what makes a head butt an effective attack. The hittee's brain is much more impacted than the hitter.
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Not really. If you are accelerating into the hit, your brain moves to the back of the cranium with all the cerebro-spinal fluid in front of it for cushion. That is what makes a head butt an effective attack. The hittee's brain is much more impacted than the hitter.
The brain stem and spinal cord also absorb some of the shock which also helps protect the head butting player tremendously. (Brandon Meriweather, ugh)

The worst kind of hit is on the side of the head like Gronk took - square on a spot between the ear hole & the temple. There's not much space for cushioning between the cranium and the brain right there so the brain bounces off the bone on each side causing bruising and hemorrhage before coming to rest. The side hit (coup), the opposite side (contracoup) and sometimes deeper tissue in between (intermediary coup) can show pathology.
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