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Old 07-09-2019, 07:04 AM   #91
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TBH, I kind of like these gals, and I don't give a shit about soccer.
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Old 07-09-2019, 07:14 AM   #92
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Old 07-09-2019, 07:25 AM   #93
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supply and demand, is there a demand for the woman's national team? I think during world cup there is but not sure about the rest of the time.

if so they will be supplied with better wages.

I like that they won, actually I love that they won but I am a Patriots fan and like the talking after the game.

also I support their demands for better wages, not getting paid if they lose is total BS but FIFA doesn't care if they show up, they are dominating all the other teams, FIFA wants them to stop and strike out against them making the field level - much like opposing teams want to see the Patriots go away.

same time frame for dominance.


by the way I recognize names on the Woman's team but not a single men's team player since Alexi Lalas retired
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Old 07-09-2019, 08:17 AM   #94
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Specifically, while the USWNT is very popular here in the US, it still doesn't garner the level of interest the USMNT gets. For example, the USWNT drew 14.3 million US viewers for their title match. Conversely, the USMNT drew 24.7 million US viewers for it's 2nd round match in group play vs Portugal in 2014.

Simply put, when the USMNT is in the World Cup, it draws MUCH more interest from US viewers than the USWNT does. That was proven in 2014 and 2010 when the USMNT was part of the World Cup it averaged 3.4 million US viewers in 2014 and 2.3 million US viewers in 2010 per match across all matches. The numbers were down in 2018 but that year the USMNT didn't qualify. For comparison, this years women's world cup averaged just over 1 million US viewers per match across all matches.

Finally when comparing viewership and revenue produced by men's game and the women's game worldwide the differences become even more ridiculously pronounced, where the factors of difference enter double digits.

As a post script, the world had a several decades head start on the US when it come's to men's soccer/futbol. That gap will take generations to close from the standpoint of competitiveness. The women's game did not have this same head start worldwide that left a gap from the same standpoint. It wasn't until the 1970's when England lifted it's ban on women playing on the same fields as men and the US through Title IX that the women's game took off, culminating in the first women's World Cup in 1991 and Olympics in 1996.

I point this out not to denigrate the women's game or the USWNT. It's a fine game and they deserve their accolades. I do it in response to this notion that the USWNT's success somehow translates into deserving equal pay and/or amounts to an equal or greater interest with their USMNT counterparts.
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Old 07-09-2019, 08:26 AM   #95
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supply and demand, is there a demand for the woman's national team? I think during world cup there is but not sure about the rest of the time.

if so they will be supplied with better wages.

I like that they won, actually I love that they won but I am a Patriots fan and like the talking after the game.

also I support their demands for better wages, not getting paid if they lose is total BS but FIFA doesn't care if they show up, they are dominating all the other teams, FIFA wants them to stop and strike out against them making the field level - much like opposing teams want to see the Patriots go away.

same time frame for dominance.


by the way I recognize names on the Woman's team but not a single men's team player since Alexi Lalas retired
Yes the men get a 5k bonus when they lose and more if the draw or win, but get no guaranteed minimum salary. The women on the other hand have a guaranteed 100k salary but no bonus for a loss. This was negotiated in their most recent collective bargaining with USSF in 2017. It brought them up to earning around 89% of what the USMNT makes. And I too think they should keep fighting for more pay. They won't give it to you unless you demand it. I just bristle @ the notion that they "deserve" it based solely on their success compared to their male counterparts. It takes into consideration only 1 of several criteria in determining compensation and is frankly a lazy argument.
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Old 07-09-2019, 08:50 AM   #96
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Yes the men get a 5k bonus when they lose and more if the draw or win, but get no guaranteed minimum salary. The women on the other hand have a guaranteed 100k salary but no bonus for a loss. This was negotiated in their most recent collective bargaining with USSF in 2017. It brought them up to earning around 89% of what the USMNT makes. And I too think they should keep fighting for more pay. They won't give it to you unless you demand it. I just bristle @ the notion that they "deserve" it based solely on their success compared to their male counterparts. It takes into consideration only 1 of several criteria in determining compensation and is frankly a lazy argument.
it is lazy and I'm just waiting for "if it was old white men...." arguement

That said, they win and the endorsement money should start to come in - I hope and make up the difference. as I said, I wouldn't know a mans team soccer player if he dribbled by me in the mall.
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it is lazy and I'm just waiting for "if it was old white men...." arguement

That said, they win and the endorsement money should start to come in - I hope and make up the difference. as I said, I wouldn't know a mans team soccer player if he dribbled by me in the mall.
Yep, I am part of the old white fart demographic and it's all our fault

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But if Ronaldinho dribbled by me in the mall...




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Speaking for myself, I would much rather watch a bunch of women running around in short shorts than a bunch of guys running around in short shorts, so count me in for paying hte women as much or more than the men.
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Speaking for myself, I would much rather watch a bunch of women running around in short shorts than a bunch of guys running around in short shorts, so count me in for paying hte women as much or more than the men.
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