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Old 06-24-2019, 08:39 AM   #16
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You can't change your DNA...you can lob off whatever sex organs you want, but, you're still whatever you were born as.
Yes, but that would be considered a transsexual.

Using the term transgender doesnít necessarily mean transsexual. The terms arenít interchangeable no matter what the media and politicians claim. Gender has to do with societies norms concerning gender roles. Sex is a biological term.

Transsexuals believe they were born in the wrong body literally, and go to great lengths to change their bodies.

Transgenders ďidentifyĒ with the opposite gender roles and feel more comfortable with said roles.

Itís really doing a disservice to those who are transsexuals, by trivializing their plight.

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Old 06-24-2019, 08:53 AM   #17
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yes, but that would be considered a transsexual.

Using the term transgender doesn’t necessarily mean transsexual. The terms aren’t interchangeable no matter what the media and politicians claim. Gender has to do with societies norms concerning gender roles. Sex is a biological term.

Transsexuals believe they were born in the wrong body literally, and go to great lengths to change their bodies.

Transgenders “identify” with the opposite gender roles and feel more comfortable with said roles.

It’s really doing a disservice to those who are transsexuals, by trivializing their plight.

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so basing where you play a sport based on biological makeup should be the solution. So put these biologically X,Y kids into the biologically X,Y offered sport to compete.
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I'll set my Friday night aside right now. I could watch the bikini league first and the what, transgender league next? Sound like a night of gripping sports to be sure.
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so basing where you play a sport based on biological makeup should be the solution. So put these biologically X,Y kids into the biologically X,Y offered sport to compete.
Im ok with that.

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Yes, but that would be considered a transsexual.

Using the term transgender doesn’t necessarily mean transsexual. The terms aren’t interchangeable no matter what the media and politicians claim. Gender has to do with societies norms concerning gender roles. Sex is a biological term.

Transsexuals believe they were born in the wrong body literally, and go to great lengths to change their bodies.

Transgenders “identify” with the opposite gender roles and feel more comfortable with said roles.

It’s really doing a disservice to those who are transsexuals, by trivializing their plight.

~Dee~
Didn't the Olympics do genetic testing back in the day when the East German's were doing shady things?

IIRC, they excluded some athletes from competing against other women, if they were not XX. That included some who had three, or more, chromosomes, as long as one of them was a Y.

They didn't do this testing on men because not being just an XY was not considered to provide an "advantage".

In other words, the policy was that someone who had any level of "male" chromosomes was thought to have an advantage against XX women. Whereas, having any female genetic attributes was not thought to provide an advantage, since "men" would outperform "women", at the Olympic level.

Were they wrong?

If the answer is "yes", then I assume that means we can get rid of the different requirements in the US military for physical fitness tests. (e.g., # of push ups, chin-ups, sit-ups, how one does sit-ups, etc.)
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Didn't the Olympics do genetic testing back in the day when the East German's were doing shady things?

IIRC, they excluded some athletes from competing against other women, if they were not XX. That included some who had three, or more, chromosomes, as long as one of them was a Y.

They didn't do this testing on men because not being just an XY was not considered to provide an "advantage".

In other words, the policy was that someone who had any level of "male" chromosomes was thought to have an advantage against XX women. Whereas, having any female genetic attributes was not thought to provide an advantage, since "men" would outperform "women", at the Olympic level.

Were they wrong?

If the answer is "yes", then I assume that means we can get rid of the different requirements in the US military for physical fitness tests. (e.g., # of push ups, chin-ups, sit-ups, how one does sit-ups, etc.)
Once again I canít image they did gender testing but if they did it was all for not.

Drug testing yes, steroids yes absolutely, not sure what part has to do with ďgenderĒ. Iím ok with all youíve stated. Once more sex is a biological attribute gender is a social norm. Neither should be given a special exception to anything.

Iíve been pretty consistent in my stance I donít feel there should be special treatment anywhere based on biological differences. I have sons that served. As a women/mom Iíd preferred they served with whom ever past the psychological and physical test on equal grounds.

As mother of a daughter who is part of a military family. Iíd preferred she not have to pass or be responsible for others stronger and more equipped physically then she is. Thatís not a dig because she both physically and mentally fit. Just I wouldnít want her to feel responsible for those around her. Thereís a reason most women arenít considered combat ready. Some can definitely handle it most no.


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Once more transgender and transsexual are 2 entirely different things. The Germans were niether they were women taking steroids to give them anadvantage. Now qualifying a male as a transgender to compete unfairly to give them an advantage equally unfair, I agree is BS.
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Didn't the Olympics do genetic testing back in the day when the East German's were doing shady things?

IIRC, they excluded some athletes from competing against other women, if they were not XX. That included some who had three, or more, chromosomes, as long as one of them was a Y.

They didn't do this testing on men because not being just an XY was not considered to provide an "advantage".

In other words, the policy was that someone who had any level of "male" chromosomes was thought to have an advantage against XX women. Whereas, having any female genetic attributes was not thought to provide an advantage, since "men" would outperform "women", at the Olympic level.

Were they wrong?

If the answer is "yes", then I assume that means we can get rid of the different requirements in the US military for physical fitness tests. (e.g., # of push ups, chin-ups, sit-ups, how one does sit-ups, etc.)
Since 1968;

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conw...erTesting.html

https://www.topendsports.com/events/...er-testing.htm

However, looks like they are on their way to sending those female athletes back to the kitchen now...no biological women will be winning medals in the near future.

Olympics Will Drop Gender and Sex Testing For 2018 Winter Games

https://thefederalistpapers.org/spor...ansgender-2018
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In 2014, Fallon Fox, a transgender MMA fighter, beat his female opponent, Tamika Brents, so severely, that she suffered a broken skull and concussion before being TKOíd.

The fight lasted one round and was over in almost two and a half minutes. Itís not easy viewing, but the entire fight, including the bloody end, can be viewed below:



In an interview following the fight, Brents said:

"Iíve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I canít answer whether itís because she was born a man or not because Iím not a doctor. I can only say, Iíve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own rightÖ I still disagree with Fox fighting. Any other job or career I say have a go at it, but when it comes to a combat sport I think it just isnít fair."

Responding to this incident, Ashley McGuire, author of Sex Scandal: The Drive to Abolish Male and Female, said: ďTwenty years ago, if a man hit a woman so hard that he sent her to the hospital, heíd be in prison. Now he can get paid for it.


In the following video, McGuire explains, while the idea that gender is a personal choice might sound enlightened to some, itís actually very anti-scientific and especially anti-women:
"Thatís because the men-and-women-are-the-same argument invariably leads women to be judged against a male standard. Or, to put it another way, to be more of a woman, a woman has to be more like a manÖ.

For the tiny percentage of people who experience gender dysphoria, we should have nothing but compassion. We should do everything we can to help them and protect their dignity, but we donít need to overturn biologically defined sex differences to do so."

Men and women are inherently different, and women will pay an especially high price if we continue to pretend otherwise. The incident with Fox and Brents proves a man can break a womanís skull in the name of progress, because everyone is too ďpolitically correctĒ to break his heart with reality.
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Oppressor/Oppressed.

The squeaky wheel has to be considered "oppressed" or they're thought to be crybaby's, malcontents, whiners, etc.

If they're in an "oppressed" group, their complaints automatically are valid with the left of center.
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