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Old 06-28-2018, 09:06 AM   #61
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I told you motherfuckers they were gonna force Hillary on us again. God damnit I hate being right sometimes.
She's not running, so stop fretting.

I'm on the Seth Moulton train again. This guy...

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She's not running, so stop fretting.
I don't know...all the polls and whispers I am hearing hint at some kind of Hillary Clinton/Joe Biden ticket.
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Old 06-28-2018, 09:44 AM   #64
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I don't know...all the polls and whispers I am hearing hint at some kind of Hillary Clinton/Joe Biden ticket.
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I don't know...all the polls and whispers I am hearing hint at some kind of Hillary Clinton/Joe Biden ticket.
I haven't heard/seen that. It would be a terrible mistake.
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I haven't heard/seen that. It would be a terrible mistake.
I agree.

New blood, new platform.

Ever read Interview with a Vampire? You know that Parisian theater with all the old vampires hanging around doing plays? They are old, out of touch, and rigidly ritualistic with their rules, stuck in the past?

That's the DNC right now.

It needs to be burned down and replaced with a 21st century version of the party.
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I donít see Clinton or Biden in the picture.

WRT D leadership I donít see Pelosi surviving the summer as minority leader. Sheíll be exiled to Madame Tussaudís wax museum.
Schumer might get the heave too
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I wish you guys wouldn't post stuff like that, because it just gets my hopes up.
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Old 06-28-2018, 05:43 PM   #69
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I don't know...all the polls and whispers I am hearing hint at some kind of Hillary Clinton/Joe Biden ticket.
I kind of doubt that the whispers you tune into are Democratic Party ones. There's 0% chance that Hillary would run again or that the Democratic primary voters would nominate her again after what happened in 2016.

Biden could maybe have a shot, if he ran, but I suspect he'd show his age and make people wary during the grueling primaries and lose to one of the other candidates.

I think it's going to be a huge field. The Republicans had 17 candidates in 2016 (counting George Pataki and Scott Walker & the others who dropped out early). I think the Democrats will likely have that many or more.

The thing you can't predict is which people take votes away from each other, benefitting a 3rd person. For example, Elizabeth Warren/Kamala Harris/Kirsten Gillebrand could split a pool of votes and open a lane for someone else.
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I kind of doubt that the whispers you tune into are Democratic Party ones. There's 0% chance that Hillary would run again or that the Democratic primary voters would nominate her again after what happened in 2016.
They tried that IN 2016 which is why JarJar had to get involved.
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Hillary Clinton won't run again, though I suspect if we had a do-over election today, the outcome would be different. But anyone saying she will run is delirious.

Who will? I don't know. I like Kamala Harris, don't know if she will run.

The Left™ has some weird obsession with Tulsi Gabbard, which I don't get in any way, whatsoever. Nevermind, I do, it's entirely based on her loyalty as a Sanders surrogate, zip to do with her actual politics.

Eric Garcetti seems to be doing his best to spend zero political capital whatsoever in any way, in order to go for higher office. Seems to think he can jump right to the Oval Office. If we want the stereotypical safe, bland pick, he fits the bill, I guess.

Ultimately, who knows?

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Cynical. Although if they do force her on us again I can't promise delirium won't follow.
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I kind of doubt that the whispers you tune into are Democratic Party ones. There's 0% chance that Hillary would run again or that the Democratic primary voters would nominate her again after what happened in 2016.

Biden could maybe have a shot, if he ran, but I suspect he'd show his age and make people wary during the grueling primaries and lose to one of the other candidates.

I think it's going to be a huge field. The Republicans had 17 candidates in 2016 (counting George Pataki and Scott Walker & the others who dropped out early). I think the Democrats will likely have that many or more.

The thing you can't predict is which people take votes away from each other, benefitting a 3rd person. For example, Elizabeth Warren/Kamala Harris/Kirsten Gillebrand could split a pool of votes and open a lane for someone else.
Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton Lead 2020 Presidential Democratic Field: Poll

https://ijr.com/2018/06/1106326-bide...ocratic-field/

Biden leads 2020 Dem field in new poll

Almost one-third of registered Democratic voters back former Vice President Joe Biden for the party’s 2020 presidential nomination, making him the front-runner in a new poll provided exclusively to The Hill.

Biden is the clear leader in Harvard CAPS/Harris’s June poll with support from 32 percent of Democrats polled. Hillary Clinton, the party’s 2016 nominee, finished second with 18 percent of the vote, while her 2016 primary opponent, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), sits in third with 16 percent.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) was the only other candidate to poll in double digits, with 10 percent of those surveyed backing her.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign...ld-in-new-poll

That's your field.

Biden
Clinton
Warren
Sanders

Have fun storming the castle with that crew.

Now....a lot can and will change between now and 2020, so these polls don't mean much, but the fact that we are halfway through 2018, 4 months to mid terms, and the polls are still showing the the Holy Trinity of Neoliberal dinosaurs as the party's frontrunners for 2020 would be very, very concerning to me if I were a democrat.

As a libertarian, I actually want a progressive, traditionally left democrat party. Fucking neoliberals and neocons are the same thing. I want my pro-free speech, pro-privacy, anti-establishment, anti-Wall Street, anti-war democrats back. Do they even exist any more? It's not in the fucking clowns you have running your party right now, that's for sure.

If it takes a new socialist party to put a stake in the heart of these DNC vampires, then count me in. I like the socialists a whole lot better than I like the neoliberals. At least there are some areas of life the socialists are pro liberty about, unlike the neoliberals.

Hell, I was considering voting for Bernie myself. He's an economic moron, but he's right about a lot of things and light years better than Hillary.
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In early 2015, the field of GOP contenders looked like Bush, Rubio, Walker, and Paul.

I would put zero weight in a theoretical poll two years out.
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In early 2015, the field of GOP contenders looked like Bush, Rubio, Walker, and Paul.

I would put zero weight in a theoretical poll two years out.
Agreed, but I would not equate the circumstances.

If the GOP had it's way, Bush or Rubio would have been the nominee. They failed to crush Trump the way they did Ron Paul.

The DNC successfully crushed their populist upstart, and then doubled down by passing rules to assure that no upstart outsiders will get the nomination in 2020, no matter what. There will be no more Bernie Sanders', and that might just guarantee that Trump gets re-elected.

If you want to beat Trump, you're going to need one of two things, an economic crash, or a charismatic populist that energizes and appeals to the Sanders demographic.

But, all evidence points to the DNC running just another old, boring, beltway insider neoliberal, pro Wall Street, pro war. They are doing all they can to make sure of it.

The Millenial socialists will stay home, or vote Green Party, or vote Democratic Socialist...or something....but their not getting off their sofas to vote for Joe Biden or some Washington wanker. Ain't happening.
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