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Old 09-20-2018, 10:09 AM   #151
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Can someone explain what happened these last two games? I was not able to view due to clean up. I gather the bullpen was not up to par the first game?
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Can someone explain what happened these last two games? I was not able to view due to clean up. I gather the bullpen was not up to par the first game?
well, considering the Yankees had a total of 7 base runners the first game, I'll blame the offense.

Last night was just a total bed shitting.

But, what has happened these last 2 games is this- clinching the division is inevitable and the Sox are playing like it. On top of that, they have an 8 game lead over Houston with 10 to play for HFA. They haven't played a truly meaningful game in over a month, and it has a psychological effect. It happens often with teams that have huge leads at this point ion the season. Last year Houston went in to August with a 15 game lead and went 10-18 that month. At the same time the Dodgers started September with a 16 game lead and dropped 15 out of 20. It's hard to maintain your edge when you're really not playing for anything, and right now the Sox really aren't playing for anything.
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Old 09-20-2018, 10:47 AM   #153
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well, considering the Yankees had a total of 7 base runners the first game, I'll blame the offense.

Last night was just a total bed shitting.

But, what has happened these last 2 games is this- clinching the division is inevitable and the Sox are playing like it. On top of that, they have an 8 game lead over Houston with 10 to play for HFA. They haven't played a truly meaningful game in over a month, and it has a psychological effect. It happens often with teams that have huge leads at this point ion the season. Last year Houston went in to August with a 15 game lead and went 10-18 that month. At the same time the Dodgers started September with a 16 game lead and dropped 15 out of 20. It's hard to maintain your edge when you're really not playing for anything, and right now the Sox really aren't playing for anything.
Hmm. Okay.

I know AC believes in resting is players especially if the game after is an off day. I was wondering if the starters had not played, if the bullpen fizzled or if it was x,y or z.
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Old 09-20-2018, 10:52 AM   #154
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Hmm. Okay.

I know AC believes in resting is players especially if the game after is an off day. I was wondering if the starters had not played, if the bullpen fizzled or if it was x,y or z.

Nunez made an error that allowed 2 unearned runs early. Price crashed and burned after that. Kelly got thrashed and is probably not going to be on the postseason roster at this point. Once again, though, the offense shit the bed. They're just not swinging the bats right now. Also have to keep in mind that the Yankees are fighting to hold on to HFA for the wild card game. Hate to say it, but these games just mean more to them.
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17-16 in their last 33 games.
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and like I pointed out, the Dodgers and the Astros had similar stretches with big leads about this same point last season. They both pulled it back together and won their respective leagues. I just think they need games that actually mean something because as much as some may want to believe these do...they really don't. Baseball, more than any other sport, employs the psychological component due to the length of the season and number of games. A lot easier to stay sharp if you're in the middle of the pack and fighting for survival every day than it is to be way up or way down.
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and like I pointed out, the Dodgers and the Astros had similar stretches with big leads about this same point last season. They both pulled it back together and won their respective leagues. I just think they need games that actually mean something because as much as some may want to believe these do...they really don't. Baseball, more than any other sport, employs the psychological component due to the length of the season and number of games. A lot easier to stay sharp if you're in the middle of the pack and fighting for survival every day than it is to be way up or way down.
Trying to close out the division against your likely ALDS opponent isn't enough motivation? Oh, also you've got to play them again in a couple of weeks, anyway.
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Trying to close out the division against your likely ALDS opponent isn't enough motivation? Oh, also you've got to play them again in a couple of weeks, anyway.
You're looking at it from a fan's perspective. The Yankees got bitch slapped by the Sox in August and have been clinging to HFA for the WC game. There's no guarantee the Yankees win that game. You mentioned the Sox are 17-16 over their last 33 (which they're actually not...they're 19-14. Here's the schedule- https://www.baseball-reference.com/t...e-scores.shtml)

By the time they play them again in a couple weeks everything will be over and done...unless you're one of THOSE Sox fans...please tell me you're not.

Let me ask you this- how often have you or I jumped in somebody's shit for displaying a similar attitude about the Pats over the many years that we've both been members of this community?
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Sox need to be ready for the post season and resting players is the best way to do that but it would be nice if they could win a few and wrap up the AL East and home field sooner than later.

Didn't the Sox light up Tanaka the last time they played? The Sox batters seem to have a better average again him than the Yankees do against Rodriguez, hopefully that continues.

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Sox need to be ready for the post season and resting players is the best way to do that but it would be nice if they could win a few and wrap up the AL East and home field sooner than later.

Didn't the Sox light up Tanaka the last time they played? The Sox batters seem to have a better average again him than the Yankees do against Rodriguez, hopefully that continues.
Yeah, Sox have hit Tanaka pretty well this year.

As fans, we can only speculate what the Sox mindset is right now, but my guess is that as things become more meaningful they'll fully engage mentally. I'm just glad the regular season win record is off the table.
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You're looking at it from a fan's perspective. The Yankees got bitch slapped by the Sox in August and have been clinging to HFA for the WC game. There's no guarantee the Yankees win that game. You mentioned the Sox are 17-16 over their last 33 (which they're actually not...they're 19-14. Here's the schedule- https://www.baseball-reference.com/t...e-scores.shtml)

By the time they play them again in a couple weeks everything will be over and done...unless you're one of THOSE Sox fans...please tell me you're not.

Let me ask you this- how often have you or I jumped in somebody's shit for displaying a similar attitude about the Pats over the many years that we've both been members of this community?
A lot, and I'm not one of those fans, and I get that they're going to be doing some experimenting, but I mean, the bats have gone cold, and the bullpen has reverted over the last couple of weeks. It's not a good trend. Reminds me of the Patriots right before the Stephen Jackson game.
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A lot, and I'm not one of those fans, and I get that they're going to be doing some experimenting, but I mean, the bats have gone cold, and the bullpen has reverted over the last couple of weeks. It's not a good trend. Reminds me of the Patriots right before the Stephen Jackson game.
Oh, I hear you...and I have concerns as well...but it's not uncharacteristic-

last year Houston went 10-18 in August after running out to a huge lead. They picked it up again. The Dodgers had a stretch in September where they dropped 15 out of 20. Both of those teams ended up going to the WS. Is it fun watching right now? No. Am I concerned? Not really, need to see the postseason roster (SERIOUSLY doubt Kelly is on it). The ONE thing that gnaws at me though is that I have a suspicion that when it comes to spotlight moments Mookie might be made of ARod. It's in the back of my mind and I can't shake it.
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Oh, I hear you...and I have concerns as well...but it's not uncharacteristic-

last year Houston went 10-18 in August after running out to a huge lead. They picked it up again. The Dodgers had a stretch in September where they dropped 15 out of 20. Both of those teams ended up going to the WS. Is it fun watching right now? No. Am I concerned? Not really, need to see the postseason roster (SERIOUSLY doubt Kelly is on it). The ONE thing that gnaws at me though is that I have a suspicion that when it comes to spotlight moments Mookie might be made of ARod. It's in the back of my mind and I can't shake it.
IIRC, the Dodgers were even worse than that, something like 1-17 during one stretch.
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just checked, it was actually 1-16...but yeah. Dropped 5, won 1, dropped 11.

The big key is if they're able to turn it back on in a couple weeks. Is this the year Sale goes on a dominant postseason run? See, there's the other thing people miss...Sale has had 1 start in the last month as opposed to the 5 or 6 he would have normally had. A couple of those games where they lost and only scored a couple runs could well have been wins.
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Oh, I hear you...and I have concerns as well...but it's not uncharacteristic-

last year Houston went 10-18 in August after running out to a huge lead. They picked it up again. The Dodgers had a stretch in September where they dropped 15 out of 20. Both of those teams ended up going to the WS. Is it fun watching right now? No. Am I concerned? Not really, need to see the postseason roster (SERIOUSLY doubt Kelly is on it). The ONE thing that gnaws at me though is that I have a suspicion that when it comes to spotlight moments Mookie might be made of ARod. It's in the back of my mind and I can't shake it.
Bogaerts too.

I would like to see a dry run as to how the starters will be used in the pen, etc, although I understand there's gamesmanship involved. Also I'm concerned Sale's not going to be ready....and what if HE has A-Rod in him?
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