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Old 05-27-2018, 07:38 PM   #31
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This isn't a news source but a decent summation of the situation in the UK.

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The fact that you think that post is a "decent summation" is scary af.
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The fact that you think that post is a "decent summation" is scary af.

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This isn't a news source but a decent summation of the situation in the UK.

We got rid of guns after one nutter shot up a school, and even before that we had some pretty restrictive gun laws.

Since then we've been just fine and dandy, gun crime is virtually non-existant.

As for the post regarding people going to prison for insulting somone on Social Media, as far as I know, nobody has gone to prison for simply insulting someone on social media.

People have been jailed for posts on social media that incite racial hatred, that contain death threats, rape threats and various other unsavoury things, but not simply insulting someone. I could go on twitter and call the PM a useless Tory f*ckwit and I wouldn't be put in prison for it.

As for Mr Robinson, he has been arrested for breach of the peace outside of a court and is facing prison because of a suspended sentence placed over him for contempt of court. He was in contempt of court for attempting to film proceedings with a phone's camera. He is currently being remanded in custody (held without bail).

His arrest has been kept quiet as he was arrested for breach of the peace outside a court that is sitting for a sensitive case for which reporting restrictions are in place for fear of prejudicing the jury. Mr Robinson was attempting to "report" on said case, despite the restrictions. He will stand trial following the conclusion of the current trial that he was attempting to "report" on.
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Our founding fathers in the states knew the importance of protecting our innate rights from mob rule (read majority rule) and that is why we are a constitutional republic and not a democracy. It seems to me giving Parliament the ability to violate rights by majority vote is pretty bad system.
Firstly, the United States of America is a Democracy, or more specifically, it is a Federal presidential constitutional republic, a type of democracy.

Secondly free speech is still in effect, I could go out into the street and yell F*ck the Queen, F*ck the Westminster Government and wouldn't face arrest.

The House of Commons can't restrict or violate those rights as it pleases, even with a majority vote. It would first have to pass a bill which would then have to through the House of Lords (who could refuse to allow it to pass and then send it back to the Commons), and then finally the Monarch has to give a bill Royal Ascent (which makes it law), the Monarch could refuse to sign the bill, denying it passage.
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Thank you for your input. I disagree with your perspective on gun ownership and free speech but I certainly appreciate you providing some education on the Uk's form of government.

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No, but there is a mechanism to take away rights if the state wants to. ie: banning guns.

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According to James Woodburn in The American Republic and Its Government, "the constitutional republic with its limitations on popular government is clearly involved in the United States Constitution, as seen in the election of the President, the election of the Senate and the appointment of the Supreme Court."[1] Woodburn says that in a constitutional republic(representative democracy), unlike direct democracy, people are regulated not only by electing officials but also by making laws through their representatives. There is a Bill of Rights in the US Constitution that protects certain individual rights. The individual rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights cannot be voted on by the majority of citizens if they wish to oppress a minority that does not agree with the restrictions on freedom they wish to impose.[2] To eliminate these rights it would be required that government officials overcome the rigid constitutional controls. The Constitution of the United States is the most difficult to amend in the world; to amend it requires a two-thirds majority proposal of both chambers of the Federal Congress. After the official proposal, a constitutional amendment must be ratified by the legislatures of, or by conventions within, at least three quarters of all states.
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And you don't have free speech if there is a provision allowing a judge to silence the media with the threat of force (imprisonment) . Free speech is an absolute. Either you have it completely or not.

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Thank you for your input. I disagree with your perspective on gun ownership and free speech but I certainly appreciate you providing some education on the Uk's form of government.



No, but there is a mechanism to take away rights if the state wants to. ie: banning guns.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic

And you don't have free speech if there is a provision allowing a judge to silence the media with the threat of force (imprisonment) . Free speech is an absolute. Either you have it completely or not.
This is simply a nonsense. Free speech is one of the rights you enjoy that, historically, has never been absolute. Hence why you can't yell fire in a theater.
Similarly, judicial gag orders are used all the time, where there's fear that the reporting of names, events, etc. could adversely affect a trial.

This is typical of the current right wing nationalists, though. Through misinterpretation of fact (or callous indifference to the treatment of fact?), they seem to always try to establish victimization. Woe onto the white man, etc.
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Speech that causes physical harm to somebody or threats are criminal acts because they violated ones individual rights, fraud is the same. Rights are not bestowed on us by the state but are innate due to our nature as rational beings with free will. And I don't care if gag orders are used all the time it is a violation of rights and the US constitution was created to protect individual rights from being infringed upon by the state.
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So can I ask is there according to the BBC over 1,400 young girls from 11 on being raped or is that a falsehood? Really simple question. Quite frankly I donít care who the abuser is just want to know if this is true?

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When I read this I was certain it was satire like the Onion. Apparently not.

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Knives are too sharp and filing them down is solution to soaring violent crime, UK judge says

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27 May 2018 • 8:52pm

A judge has proposed a nationwide programme to file down the points of kitchen knives as a solution to the country’s soaring knife crime epidemic.

Last week in his valedictory address, retiring Luton Crown Court Judge Nic Madge spoke of his concern that carrying a knife had become routine in some circles and called on the Government to ban the sale of large pointed kitchen knives.

Latest figures show stabbing deaths among teenagers and young adults have reached the highest level for eight years, and knife crime overall rose 22 per cent in 2017.
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In the past two months, he said, there have been 77 knife-related incidents in Bedfordshire, including three killings.

Luton Crown Court Judge Nic Madge said he was concerned that carrying a knife had become routine in some circles.

Judge Madge told the assembled judges, barristers and court staff: “These offences often seem motiveless - one boy was stabbed because he had an argument a couple of years before at his junior school.”

He said laws designed to reduce the availability of weapons to young would-be offenders had had “almost no effect”, since the vast majority had merely taken knives from a cutlery drawer.

He said: “A few of the blades carried by youths are so called ‘Rambo knives’ or samurai swords. They though are a very small minority.

"The reason why these measures have little effect is that the vast majority of knives carried by youths are ordinary kitchen knives. Every kitchen contains lethal knives which are potential murder weapons.

"Accordingly, it is very easy for any youth who wants to obtain a knife to take it from the kitchen drawer in his home or in the home of one of his friends.”

As a result - said the judge - the most common knife a youth will take out is eight to ten inches, long and pointed, from his mother's cutlery tray.

He asked: “But why we do need eight-inch or ten-inch kitchen knives with points?

“Butchers and fishmongers do, but how often, if at all, does a domestic chef use the point of an eight-inch or ten-inch knife? Rarely, if at all."

"Acknowledging that any blade could cause injury, the judge pointed out “slash wounds are rarely fatal.”

So, he said: “I would urge all those with any role in relation to knives - manufacturers, shops, the police, local authorities, the government - to consider preventing the sale of long pointed knives, except in rare, defined, circumstances, and replacing such knives with rounded ends.

"It might even be that the police could organise a programme whereby the owners of kitchen knives, which have been properly and lawfully bought for culinary purposes, could be taken somewhere to be modified, with the points being ground down into rounded ends," he said.

Office for National statistics figures published in February revealed 215 fatal stabbings had been recorded by police in the 12 months to March 2017.

This was on par with the previous year’s 212 stabbing deaths but a marked increase on the 186 in the year to March 2015.

The latest figures show ten 16 or 17 year olds lost their lives in the year to March 2017, as well as 51 people aged between 18 and 24. The combined total is the highest since 2008/9.

In the first 100 days of 2018, 53 people were killed in the capital alone, many of them victims of knife crime.

New tougher sentencing guidelines for knife crime were introduced in March, with gang membership or carrying a concealed weapon both identified as aggravating factors which can increase a jail term handed down for a knife offence.

The Sentencing council said the reforms were intended to “reflect Parliament’s concern about the social problem of offenders carrying knives.”
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So can I ask is there according to the BBC over 1,400 young girls from 11 on being raped or is that a falsehood? Really simple question. Quite frankly I donít care who the abuser is just want to know if this is true?

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I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case. The Rotherham case was absolutely filthy and children were exploited, beaten, raped, etc. by a gang of peddlers over a period of 15+ years.

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Speech that causes physical harm to somebody or threats are criminal acts because they violated ones individual rights, fraud is the same. Rights are not bestowed on us by the state but are innate due to our nature as rational beings with free will. And I don't care if gag orders are used all the time it is a violation of rights and the US constitution was created to protect individual rights from being infringed upon by the state.
You could have just written that you agree Freedom of Speech is not absolute.
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Speech that causes physical harm to somebody or threats are criminal acts because they violated ones individual rights, fraud is the same. Rights are not bestowed on us by the state but are innate due to our nature as rational beings with free will. And I don't care if gag orders are used all the time it is a violation of rights and the US constitution was created to protect individual rights from being infringed upon by the state.
Which right supersedes which then? The right to a fair trial or the right to free speech?
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I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case. The Rotherham case was absolutely filthy and children were exploited, beaten, raped, etc. by a gang of peddlers over a period of 15+ years.

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You could have just written that you agree Freedom of Speech is not absolute.
Geez I was hoping it wasnít.

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Geez I was hoping it wasnít.

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Ditto. It's one of the more horrifying cases I've ever heard of. They were also trafficking children to other parts of the country.

All in all, around 20 people were convicted (sentences up to 25 years), but I fear that many of the pedophiles avoided arrest.
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As for Mr Robinson, he has been arrested for breach of the peace outside of a court and is facing prison because of a suspended sentence placed over him for contempt of court. He was in contempt of court for attempting to film proceedings with a phone's camera. He is currently being remanded in custody (held without bail).

His arrest has been kept quiet as he was arrested for breach of the peace outside a court that is sitting for a sensitive case for which reporting restrictions are in place for fear of prejudicing the jury. Mr Robinson was attempting to "report" on said case, despite the restrictions. He will stand trial following the conclusion of the current trial that he was attempting to "report" on.
And this is why the EU is fucked. Their citizens are willing Orwellian socialists. They are willing slaves to the state. They have willingly surrendered their right to protect themselves, and their right to free speech and free press. In their minds, this is a good thing. They will never be convinced otherwise.
They have willingly surrendered their right to defend or protect themselves. Violent crimes and rapes against defenseless people are a good thing. Is it really any wonder that they are rallying to defend child prostitution ring leaders, and condemn Freedom of the Press in the same sentence? This is the new generation of EU socialists. Big Brother tells them waht to say and think, and they repeat it, like good comrades. They don't have the capacity to question the official narrative, or the courage.





The Europeans are a lost cause, excepting a few rogue nations, such as Hungary and Poland, who may yet save themselves.

What we need to focus on is keeping the New Iron Curtain from crossing the pond.
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