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Old 07-17-2019, 12:51 PM   #421
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What bet and why should I believe that you would own up to it?
I'm sure he thinks any one of the fine, upstanding, patriotic Americans the Dems are running would stomp a mudhole in Trump. Most Libs do think that and give that ridiculous sardonic laugh when you disagree with them...until it actually happens. Then you're a racist.
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I'm sure he thinks any one of the fine, upstanding, patriotic Americans the Dems are running would stomp a mudhole in Trump. Most Libs do think that and give that ridiculous sardonic laugh when you disagree with them...until it actually happens. Then you're a racist.
You forgot the bat shit lunatic fit reactions.
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yeah, those are my favorites. Nothing like the smell of Libs melting down in the morning. Smells like...victory.
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I'm sure he thinks any one of the fine, upstanding, patriotic Americans the Dems are running would stomp a mudhole in Trump. Most Libs do think that and give that ridiculous sardonic laugh when you disagree with them...until it actually happens. Then you're a racist.


Once again, Iím not a liberal or a D. Iím someone with morals who believes that Trump is a scumbag.

My ideal situation would be for a better qualified R to win the primary.
I donít want a D to win at all. I want a true R to.

Keep in mind that Trump won the election... barely. And he lost the popular vote by a huge amount.
I think that, unless the D candidate is truly catastrophic (which could still happen) , I think that the D candidate may squeak by this time.


Remember, Trump beat the worst D candidate since Dukakis.


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Old 07-17-2019, 03:14 PM   #426
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Once again, Iím not a liberal or a D. Iím someone with morals who believes that Trump is a scumbag.

My ideal situation would be for a better qualified R to win the primary.
I donít want a D to win at all. I want a true R to.

Keep in mind that Trump won the election... barely. And he lost the popular vote by a huge amount.
I think that, unless the D candidate is truly catastrophic (which could still happen) , I think that the D candidate may squeak by this time.


Remember, Trump beat the worst D candidate since Dukakis.


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...this one right here...going back to this...gives me my doubts. That could be lifted from the front page of the NYT or WaPo. It's meaningless. This is why the Founding Fathers added the electoral college. If you truly are a conservative you would understand that. We are not a democracy, we are a constitutional (small C) republic. Otherwise, what would the point be for each state to hold it's own elections? What point would there be for each state to have elected representatives?

On a national level Hillary won the popular vote by 1.7 million. She won California by 4 million. Simple math alone would give you the true story there. When you support points like that it calls your proclaimed position in to question. Hillary won the coasts, Trump won everything else. Are we to let our overlords in New York and California make our decisions for us?

I get it, you hate Trump. I don't.
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...this one right here...going back to this...gives me my doubts. That could be lifted from the front page of the NYT or WaPo. It's meaningless. This is why the Founding Fathers added the electoral college. If you truly are a conservative you would understand that. We are not a democracy, we are a constitutional (small C) republic. Otherwise, what would the point be for each state to hold it's own elections? What point would there be for each state to have elected representatives?



On a national level Hillary won the popular vote by 1.7 million. She won California by 4 million. Simple math alone would give you the true story there. When you support points like that it calls your proclaimed position in to question. Hillary won the coasts, Trump won everything else. Are we to let our overlords in New York and California make our decisions for us?



I get it, you hate Trump. I don't.


Where did I say that Trump should have lost?

Thatís what idiotic Dís would say.

Just take me up on the bet. I hope that I lose, because the D group is awful. I just see things trending against Trump this time around.


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I am a conservative with libertarian leanings who dislikes Donald Trump. I don't believe I, or PatsFan09 for that matter, is a Democrat or a modern liberal. I can disassociate my disdain for Donald Trump the man, husband, awful human being to give him credit for the accomplishments of his first term and still not vote for him in 2016 and 2020. That doesn't mean I voted or preferred Hillary either, or that I will vote for any of the cavalcade of fuckwits the left is trotting out for 2020. It just means that I will vote write in or thrid party yet again in the presidential election.

And let's all be honest with ourselves for a moment and admit that Donald Trump is NOT an R or D, liberal or conservative. Donald Trump is a political opportunist, whose espoused ideals can and will changes with the direction of the political winds. If he thought that the way to guarantee a 2016 (or 2020) victory was to pick up and carry the progressively leftist agenda he would make Bernie Sanders look Joe McCarthy in comparison.

I view PatsFan09's political leanings to me more in line with classical liberalism than the rantings of a bug-eyed progressive lunatic.
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I am a conservative with libertarian leanings who dislikes Donald Trump. I don't believe I, or PatsFan09 for that matter, is a Democrat or a modern liberal. I can disassociate my disdain for Donald Trump the man, husband, awful human being to give him credit for the accomplishments of his first term and still not vote for him in 2016 and 2020. That doesn't mean I voted or preferred Hillary either, or that I will vote for any of the cavalcade of fuckwits the left is trotting out for 2020. It just means that I will vote write in or thrid party yet again in the presidential election.

And let's all be honest with ourselves for a moment and admit that Donald Trump is NOT an R or D, liberal or conservative. Donald Trump is a political opportunist, whose espoused ideals can and will changes with the direction of the political winds. If he thought that the way to guarantee a 2016 (or 2020) victory was to pick up and carry the progressively leftist agenda he would make Bernie Sanders look Joe McCarthy in comparison.

I view PatsFan09's political leanings to me more in line with classical liberalism than the rantings of a bug-eyed progressive lunatic.




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I am a conservative with libertarian leanings who dislikes Donald Trump. I don't believe I, or PatsFan09 for that matter, is a Democrat or a modern liberal. I can disassociate my disdain for Donald Trump the man, husband, awful human being to give him credit for the accomplishments of his first term and still not vote for him in 2016 and 2020. That doesn't mean I voted or preferred Hillary either, or that I will vote for any of the cavalcade of fuckwits the left is trotting out for 2020. It just means that I will vote write in or thrid party yet again in the presidential election.

And let's all be honest with ourselves for a moment and admit that Donald Trump is NOT an R or D, liberal or conservative. Donald Trump is a political opportunist, whose espoused ideals can and will changes with the direction of the political winds. If he thought that the way to guarantee a 2016 (or 2020) victory was to pick up and carry the progressively leftist agenda he would make Bernie Sanders look Joe McCarthy in comparison.

I view PatsFan09's political leanings to me more in line with classical liberalism than the rantings of a bug-eyed progressive lunatic.
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Pretty much where I'm at as well, except that I'm a true libertarian, not a dirty wannabee pretend libertarian like IUK.
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I am a conservative with libertarian leanings who dislikes Donald Trump. I don't believe I, or PatsFan09 for that matter, is a Democrat or a modern liberal. I can disassociate my disdain for Donald Trump the man, husband, awful human being to give him credit for the accomplishments of his first term and still not vote for him in 2016 and 2020. That doesn't mean I voted or preferred Hillary either, or that I will vote for any of the cavalcade of fuckwits the left is trotting out for 2020. It just means that I will vote write in or thrid party yet again in the presidential election.

And let's all be honest with ourselves for a moment and admit that Donald Trump is NOT an R or D, liberal or conservative. Donald Trump is a political opportunist, whose espoused ideals can and will changes with the direction of the political winds. If he thought that the way to guarantee a 2016 (or 2020) victory was to pick up and carry the progressively leftist agenda he would make Bernie Sanders look Joe McCarthy in comparison.

I view PatsFan09's political leanings to me more in line with classical liberalism than the rantings of a bug-eyed progressive lunatic.
I don't believe anyone here claimed the Don to be either of those but he is doing what is best for this country and if things don't change, he gets my vote in 2020.

His language and Twtitter rants don't bother me in the least, how else does he get his message out to the people that support him or to those on the fence? The MSM sure as hell isn't going to help him do it. People can claim to be whatever they want as far as their political stance goes but that doesn't always make it so.

I believe in personal freedom, the constitution, our military, capitalism, and that the USA is the greatest country to have ever existed, that's where I stand.
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Joe Biden performs one political belly flop after another. This week the former vice president rolled out his health care plan, which mainly featured a hearty embrace of ObamaCare along with, in a nod to the times we live in, a sizable dollop of government meddling.

The homage to the signature achievement of his White House years Ė which he once called ďa big f--king dealĒ Ė was meant to distinguish him from his many rivals calling for an end to the Affordable Care Act [ACA] and also to private insurance, a proposition that is not popular with most Americans. His defense of ObamaCare was also meant to tie him ever tighter to ďmy buddy Barack,Ē as Biden has called him.

Unhappily for Biden, that tie became a noose when, in promoting his plan, he echoed the signature lie told by President Obama, claiming that, "If you like your health care plan, your employer-based plan, you can keep it." That falsehood, repeated over and over by Bidenís boss as he attempted to sell the public on his health care program, became emblematic of the dishonest promises made by the prior administration, and ultimately undermined faith in the ACA, and in President Obama.

Obama knew his plan contained no such assurance; he knew the claim was untrue. Even the liberal site Politifact labeled it ďthe lie of the year.Ē

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Despite constant oppositional winds, what political ideals has Trump changed direction on?
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Either I misspoke or didn't make myself clear on that, and that's my fault. I didn't mean wishy-washy or a flip-flopper, quite the contrary. He will ride the horse of his beliefs until the horse dies of exhaustion, regardless of having strong opposition...as long as he feels those beliefs will win him the election/business deal/trade negotiation/his hand up your skirt. If he thinks his current beliefs will not help him achieve his goals, he will modify those beliefs until he thinks they will. And to me, these beliefs are not based on a moral compass, political dogma or a ethically moored position. It's about winning.

And this is all my opinion, the conclusion being based on how he has conducted his business and personal life for all of us to see since the late 70's.
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I don't believe anyone here claimed the Don to be either of those but he is doing what is best for this country and if things don't change, he gets my vote in 2020.

His language and Twtitter rants don't bother me in the least, how else does he get his message out to the people that support him or to those on the fence? The MSM sure as hell isn't going to help him do it. People can claim to be whatever they want as far as their political stance goes but that doesn't always make it so.

I believe in personal freedom, the constitution, our military, capitalism, and that the USA is the greatest country to have ever existed, that's where I stand.

The twitter rants really don’t bother me anymore. They did at first. Putting myself in his shoes, and the abuse and accusations and falsehood that he’s dealt with I’m pretty sure he could care less who he pissed off. They go after his wife and kid from day one and downhill from there.
I think that he has exposed the left, the media and their tactics for what they are and that a lot of his outspokenness is calculated to do that. Can’t say he’s not done a lot of damage to the CNN and MSNBC of the world.

Edit: does anyone think that if he acted more “presidential” that the left would back off trying to bury him? Please.......

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