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Old 07-10-2019, 07:16 AM   #31
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Of course there should be a line.

When was the last time you saw a woman (natural or on drugs) begin competing in a men's division and break records? Literally never. Yet average male athletes who are FAR from the top of their sport instantly become GOATs the second they start competing against women.

This isn't some insult against women. It's science. Male frames are bigger and male genetics allow for much greater concentrations of muscle and (therefore) strength. Even after a full transition, if you went through puberty as a male then there's no going back. A transitioned male > female is still going to be significantly "better" at almost any sport versus even a juicing woman of equal skill level. This isn't a debate. There's mountains of evidence emerging right now because this is a one way street. Like I said, women NEVER dominate after switching to male sports.

If you don't draw a line, female sports will die because there won't be any females left competing at the top levels.

The only solution is to base divisions on biological sex rather than gender (which arguably they already do).

The irony is that drawing this line would protect and benefit actual women, which somehow it's bigoted? Right, because regular female athletes aren't allow to run cycles of steroids but they should be expected to compete against "women" who are naturally stronger than the most juiced women? lol

And this extends beyond strength. Years ago Serena Williams was asked if she would ever play a game against Roddick (think it was him) and she rejected it outright, basically saying that she would get destroyed. A while later when she was one of the top women in the world, she played a match against a guy ranked like 250 and got demolished.

Does that mean Serena is shit or deserves less praise? Of course not, because these divisions exist for a reason. She is dominant among her PEERS (other biological women) and she shouldn't be required to be better than men (lol biology) in order to be considered great or the GOAT. But if these lines aren't drawn around sex, that's exactly what she and others like her will have to do moving forward.

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Old 07-14-2019, 06:59 PM   #32
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I have many thoughts regarding those who experience gender dysphoria and whether we're helping or hurting by playing into their persistent delusions, not to mention the insanity of punishing those who speak accurately and truthfully instead of conforming to those delusions.

Spare me your gender roles and societal norms. Wearing dresses, playing with barbies, showing empathy, being the primary caretaker of children, none of that makes you a woman. Nor does playing with army men, wearing power suits, displaying assertiveness, or being the primary income earner make you a man. There are two genders, barring genetic abnormalities, and it's obvious which one someone is in most cases before they're even born.

As far as transgendered athletes, make them all complete vs men. Whether they had the steroid testosterone pumping through them during development leading to increased muscle and bone mass, or are actively taking it now, it's unfair for them to compete vs women who did not, at least not to anything approaching the same degree. Having them all compete vs men is fair and logical and would never result in cries of unfair advantages, and if an unfair advantage is not what they're seeking, shouldn't be a problem for the athletes involved.
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