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Old 05-15-2019, 12:39 PM   #46
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Yes, women and men are treated differently in the workplace and in society. There are privileges and drawbacks for both.

The gender wage gap is demonstrably a myth.
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Old 05-15-2019, 01:47 PM   #47
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youíre digging yourself in deeper.

No, quite frankly your whole post, IMHO, was condescending. I singled out your final paragraph because you expressed, what you personally consider is privilege in the work place. Once again the fact that you feel that women need to work harder on our appearance instead of working harder at her job to earn respect is very condescending. The mere fact that you personally feel that women care/ or should about, or even consider that her appearance earns her respect is truly insulting. Jeez, if I had known all I had to do was put on some make up......instead of studying and working my butt off to earn my colleagues respect...

I wasnt taking about an interview and when I started my career it was male dominated field. I guess perhaps we do live in 2 different worlds but I donít want to live in your world.

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For what it's worth I really am sorry that you find me condescending and insulting to women. It was not my intention at all, clearly, seeing how I am one of the very few people who acknowledges and is trying to bring to light unfair treatment of women. At the same time you are also claiming I said something I didn't
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the fact that you feel that women need to work harder on our appearance instead of working harder at her job to earn respect is very condescending
Not what I said at all. I only pointed out its unfair that women are more criticized by their appearance than men are in the work place. Didnt say anything about a woman having to look good instead of working hard to earn respect.

If you don't see or experience any form of sexism, thats great and you work and live in a perfect environment. But any honest conversation i've had with people (conservatives, liberals, men, women), at least acknowledge this type of unfair mindset in the business world absolutely exists, even if they think its ok or try to justify it, and even if that mindset is not a conscious thing. So I'm not sure what you want me to say when that is the reality for a lot of people. I'm not going to sugar coat it or pretend that it doesn't happen.
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Old 05-15-2019, 02:46 PM   #48
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Wow, you're really dumber than I actually thought. You don't even realize that women sports teams, specifically basketball and soccer, which are both extremely popular, have been trying to get equal pay and has been for a long time. The can't. And they won't.

But don't let that get in the way of your stupidity and male condescension.
Women make way more money than males in porn and modeling...

You can blame the whole thing on the people at the top.
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Old 05-15-2019, 03:17 PM   #49
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Iím reluctant to post in this thread because no matter what one says someone else will get uptight about it.
But I can only comment on my own industry and say that pay inequality does not exist. In technology sales you are compensated based on what you sell. There isnít a separate pay plan for each sex. You sell well you get paid accordingly. The most highly compensated sales people in my current gig are women. Because they sell the most and for no other reason. Further, I still do and have worked with a huge number of highly skilled women and there just ainít any BS toward them in any way, harrassment, pay,or anything else. In fact a few of them are also gay and no one cares about that either. We all get along quite well.

Iím sure thatís not the case in every field. But itís light years past what my biz was like 25 years ago.
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For what it's worth I really am sorry that you find me condescending and insulting to women. It was not my intention at all, clearly, seeing how I am one of the very few people who acknowledges and is trying to bring to light unfair treatment of women. At the same time you are also claiming I said something I didn't Not what I said at all. I only pointed out its unfair that women are more criticized by their appearance than men are in the work place. Didnt say anything about a woman having to look good instead of working hard to earn respect.

If you don't see or experience any form of sexism, thats great and you work and live in a perfect environment. But any honest conversation i've had with people (conservatives, liberals, men, women), at least acknowledge this type of unfair mindset in the business world absolutely exists, even if they think its ok or try to justify it, and even if that mindset is not a conscious thing. So I'm not sure what you want me to say when that is the reality for a lot of people. I'm not going to sugar coat it or pretend that it doesn't happen.
I deal with a lots people and my husband and I employ a great deal of people. Again what you are saying has zero to do with ďprivilegeĒ which is what your speaking about. Youíre really not understanding what Iím saying. My point once again who cares what some coworker says about you it has Zerro to do with your work ethic or lack there of,or your job performance which most employers will be judging by and if theyíre not you should find another job. My worlds perfect not in the least. Humans arenít perfect so Iím not sure what you expect.

As I originally said Privilege has nothing to do with what your talking about, work place policies and they can be unfair across all lines. I have 2 policies most of my male and some female employees find ď unfairĒ you must be clean shaving, and if you have tattoos they must be covered. It has zero to do with my opinion on either. 2 of my sons have beards and all my sons and SIL have tattoos. It has to do with the work we do.

Youíve finally brought up sexism/ discrimination which while it really has nothing to do with privilege or unfair work policies it does still exsist in some work places, on that we can agree. Where we disagree is the solution I donít want extra special rights I want equal rights. I want to be judge on my ability to do the job properly not because I fit a quota that needs to be filled. Thatís what I find insulting I donít need my coworkers approval nor do I care. I want my boss to find my work quality to be great. Think about it. What if you got a raise or promotion based on your sex and not your ability, how would you feel? Have you ever told your boss you know what that raise and promotion you just gave me because Iím a privileged guy give it to her? Silly right.

But the question was are men and women treated differently? They are as we are different period end of disscussion.

Next privilege is brought up which has nothing to do with the fact that 2 adults were fighting in the eyes of the law. Let the courts decide. Now Iím not saying either was right or wrong cause again I donít have all the facts, but I would hope the male would try harder to restrain himself as would the young lady, but again I donít know exactly what happen. The rest is smoke and mirrors

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Old 05-15-2019, 06:49 PM   #51
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we do live in a society where males are privileged with better pay (women still are working for less pay doing the same job in 2019)
I'm not sure which statistic you're referring to here but if it's the 80 cents on the dollar # that's tossed about, that is most certainly not for "equal work".

That statistic is the average pay for all women compared to all men.

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The uncontrolled gender pay gap, which takes the ratio of median earnings of all women to all men, decreased by $0.05 since 2015. However, women still make only $0.79 for every dollar men make in 2019.
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The controlled gender pay gap, which controls for a number of factors such as job title, years of experience, industry and location so that the only differentiation between workers is their gender, shrunk by just $0.008 since 2015. Women now make $0.98 for every dollar an equivalent man makes.
Then there is this study by Harvard that sheds another layer on the "equal work" earnings.

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Even in a unionized environment where work tasks are similar, hourly wages are identical, and tenure dictates promotions, female workers earn $0.89 on the male-worker dollar (weekly earnings). We use confidential administrative data on bus and train operators from the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority (MBTA) to show that the weekly earnings gap can be explained by the workplace choices that women and men make. Women value time away from work and flexibility more than men, taking more unpaid time off using the Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA) and working fewer overtime hours than men. When overtime hours are scheduled three months in advance, men and women work a similar number of hours; but when those hours are offered at the last minute, men work nearly twice as many. When selecting work schedules, women try to avoid weekend, holiday, and split shifts more than men. To avoid unfavorable work times, women prioritize their schedules over route safety and select routes with a higher probability of accidents. Women are less likely than men to game the scheduling system by trading off work hours at regular wages for overtime hours at premium wages. These results suggest that some policies that increase workplace flexibility, like shift swapping and expanded cover lists, can reduce the gender earnings gap and disproportionately increase the well-being of female workers.
So is the 2 cent difference in the controlled group also due to different choices men and women make?
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Old 05-21-2019, 06:19 PM   #52
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Wow, you're really dumber than I actually thought. You don't even realize that women sports teams, specifically basketball and soccer, which are both extremely popular, have been trying to get equal pay and has been for a long time. The can't. And they won't.
Why should they?

Those athletes play in leagues that don't generate much revenue. Their pay is a reflection of that fact.

If those athletes want more pay, they should play in a league that generates more revenue.
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Why should they?

Those athletes play in leagues that don't generate much revenue. Their pay is a reflection of that fact.

If those athletes want more pay, they should play in a league that generates more revenue.
Agreed. In most sports leagues pay is tied directly to revenue and they just aren't killing it in that area.
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Why should they?

Those athletes play in leagues that don't generate much revenue. Their pay is a reflection of that fact.

If those athletes want more pay, they should play in a league that generates more revenue.
Correct. You ain't gonna make a ton in the WNBA for instance when the entire league revenue is less than LeBron James contract.
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Women make way more money than males in porn and modeling...

You can blame the whole thing on the people at the top.
I see what you did there.
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Women should get paid more in sandwich shops plain and simple.
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Women should get paid more in sandwich shops plain and simple.

Well, the only one who should get paid more in a sandwich shop is the one that isn't spitting in your food. If that is a woman, I am OK with that.
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