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Old 09-17-2012, 11:45 AM   #16
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Or, your offense has been putrid the whole game, and your PK is 4/4. The offense has lost yardage or been penalized on 2/3 plays at least, and iirc, 3/4. So do you risk penalties or negative yardage plays that could hurt your PK, or trust him with a 41 yard bunny that he hit 9/11 times in 2011 (that's 40-49 even...41 is on the short side but they didn't break it down farther)?
The last 2 series the Pats offense had been moving the ball on the Cards fine.
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:48 AM   #17
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why not make the kick easier for your fg kicker? They had plenty of time to do so. And they had the qb and skill players to do so.
because past history shows riddley fumbles, the rookie is unknown and woodhead it too little


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because past history shows riddley fumbles, the rookie is unknown and woodhead it too little


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I hope like hell that isn't the case. If so, BB blew his roster selection cause this team aint winning squat come January.
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I am just saying, they tried all that when they got the ball, they tried to score, but penalties were making that tough...the play at that point was to take the time off and kick....If 41 yards is so horrible for him to make, then maybe we need a new kicker. Thats not a tough kick, and it was the play at that point. With 46 seconds, you have no timeouts and you are behind, the play is to line up in the middle and kick.
This reminds me of the John Madden "you have to take a knee and play for overtime" comment from a game back in 2002.
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:53 AM   #20
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Or, your offense has been putrid the whole game, and your PK is 4/4. The offense has lost yardage or been penalized on 2/3 plays at least, and iirc, 3/4. So do you risk penalties or negative yardage plays that could hurt your PK, or trust him with a 41 yard bunny that he hit 9/11 times in 2011 (that's 40-49 even...41 is on the short side but they didn't break it down farther)?
Well I was not worried about lost yardage, but the refs did decide at this time we would call every penalty we could see, so I was afraid they would take us out of fg range at some point....as I said, the pats did try and move the ball and actually did move the ball, the run that was called back and Brady had a first down throw to welker after the holding call. At that point they were only 36 yards away for a fg, then they had a false start on gronk...I had no problem with what they did based on what had happened, the kick was just missed. Really no excuse for it.
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This reminds me of the John Madden "you have to take a knee and play for overtime" comment from a game back in 2002.
Well had the pats had a td called back for holding and then a false start in 2001, they would have taken a knee and played for overtime...but in 2001, they were not in fg range, yesterday, they were.
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Why not make the kick easier for your FG kicker? They had plenty of time to do so. And they had the QB and skill players to do so.
Most people think they did make the kick easier by placing the ball in the middle. To be honest, I was more worried about it getting blocked than I was about Ghostowski just blowing the kick. He's been more accurate than Vinatieri was when he here.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:07 PM   #23
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Most people think they did make the kick easier by placing the ball in the middle. To be honest, I was more worried about it getting blocked than I was about Ghostowski just blowing the kick. He's been more accurate than Vinatieri was when he here.
Yeah I did not see him missing the kick, it was pretty surprising.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:16 PM   #24
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Why not make the kick easier for your FG kicker? They had plenty of time to do so. And they had the QB and skill players to do so.

I agree with your premise that they should have been a little more aggressive there... but I can also see the flip side, which is the QB and the skill players had only one decent drive all day, and after that they were back to stuttering around, making mistakes. They were in FG range, but another "turtle-sack" and they would have been out of range (or in a much more difficult spot, having to kick from farther back, with a lower trajectory, against a decent kick blocking team).

Bottom line, is the coaches had little faith in this high vaunted offense and went with what they felt gave them "the best chance to win"(I can just hear BB using those exact words later today on the radio).


They deserved to lose this game. Winning it would have been nice, but undeserved.
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I agree with your premise that they should have been a little more aggressive there... but I can also see the flip side, which is the QB and the skill players had only one decent drive all day, and after that they were back to stuttering around, making mistakes. They were in FG range, but another "turtle-sack" and they would have been out of range (or in a much more difficult spot, having to kick from farther back, with a lower trajectory, against a decent kick blocking team).

Bottom line, is the coaches had little faith in this high vaunted offense and went with what they felt gave them "the best chance to win"(I can just hear BB using those exact words later today on the radio).


They deserved to lose this game. Winning it would have been nice, but undeserved.
Well no, none of that is true, and once again, on the first play after getting the ball, they had a pass and ran for a td, then they had a first down pass....but I guess the coaching staff was too scared of that sorry Qb falling down for a sack huh?
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I agree with your premise that they should have been a little more aggressive there... but I can also see the flip side, which is the QB and the skill players had only one decent drive all day, and after that they were back to stuttering around, making mistakes. They were in FG range, but another "turtle-sack" and they would have been out of range (or in a much more difficult spot, having to kick from farther back, with a lower trajectory, against a decent kick blocking team).

Bottom line, is the coaches had little faith in this high vaunted offense and went with what they felt gave them "the best chance to win"(I can just hear BB using those exact words later today on the radio).


They deserved to lose this game. Winning it would have been nice, but undeserved.
I disagree that the Pats deserved to lose this game.

Brady passed for over 300 yards, Ridley went for almost 4 YPC, the defense played great and surrendered little in terms of yardage and points and got the Pats the ball back with a great chance to win.

BB's call to rely on his PK to win the game lost it for them.
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I disagree that the Pats deserved to lose this game.

Brady passed for over 300 yards, Ridley went for almost 4 YPC, the defense played great and surrendered little in terms of yardage and points and got the Pats the ball back with a great chance to win.

BB's call to rely on his PK to win the game lost it for them.
Exactly, its stupid to say deserve to lose....they did not play their best game, and believe it or not....they are not the only team who does that, they just do it less than most other teams, they put themselves in a spot to pull out a win in a game they did not play well in and it did not work out...thats about it.
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I disagree that the Pats deserved to lose this game.

Brady passed for over 300 yards, Ridley went for almost 4 YPC, the defense played great and surrendered little in terms of yardage and points and got the Pats the ball back with a great chance to win.

BB's call to rely on his PK to win the game lost it for them.
Maybe BB is relying on the special teams too much. Possibly earlier in the game, they should have gone for it on fourth down, instead of letting the punt get blocked, too.

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Maybe BB is relying on the special teams too much. Possibly earlier in the game, they should have gone for it on fourth down, instead of letting the punt get blocked, too.

That was not a great place to go for it, although there were some other times, it was 3rd and 4, and they decide to run some crappy counter run play that went nowhere, I wished they have went for it, it was not as though zona was moving up and down the field...
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