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Old 06-01-2020, 02:58 PM   #166
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If you are protesting for a change in violence against a community and see someone doing just that and fail to do ANYTHING to stop that, whether it be stopping it yourself or recording and reporting it, you are as bad as the people creating that violence against the community. People are dying during these protests, so just because you want to differentiate between a government entity and a non official group does not make my statement false. You argue that my original statement implies that all 1000 good cops know all the facts, while my second statement does not. How did you reach that conclusion? So you know, both my statements assumed all people involved knew the facts.
I can make a variety of distinctions.

One is organizational and systemic. It doesn't have to be government, it can be the Catholic Church protecting pedophile priests.

The other is random people.

If you witness 3 gang members sexually assaulting a woman while walking home from a bar one night, and you don't intervene, you are a rapist? That's the argument you are making?
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Two New York Attorneys Arrested For Throwing Molotov Cocktail At Police

Yesterday we discussed the four arrests associated with two attacks on New York police officers using Molotov cocktails. It is now being reported that one of the defendants arrested, Colinford Mattis, 32, is a furloughed Pryor Cashman associate. Mattis is a graduate of New York University and Princeton University. He was reportedly arrested with a second attorney in the attack. Mattis is accused of driving a van and passenger Urooj Rahman, 31, threw a Molotov cocktail. Rahman is reportedly a human rights lawyer but also recently lost her job.


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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT EASTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ---------------------------X
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - against -
COLINFORD MATTIS and UROOJ RAHMAN,
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COMPLAINT AND AFFIDAVIT IN SUPPORT OF APPLICATION FOR ARREST WARRANTS
(18 U.S.C. §§ 844(i), 2)
EASTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, SS:
KYLE JOHNSON, being duly sworn, deposes and states that he is a Special
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Causing Damage by Fire and Explosives – Police Vehicle
On or about May 30, 2020, within the Eastern District of New York, the
defendants COLINFORD MATTIS and UROOJ RAHMAN did knowingly, intentionally and maliciously damage, and attempt to damage and destroy, by means of fire and one or more explosives, a vehicle and other real property used in interstate and foreign commerce and in an activity affecting interstate and foreign commerce, to wit: a New York City Police Department vehicle in Brooklyn, New York.
(Title 18, United States Code, Sections 844(i), 2)

The source of your deponent’s information and the grounds for his/her belief are as follows:1
1. I am a Special Agent with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) assigned to the Joint Terrorism Task Force (“JTTF”). I have been an agent for approximately four years. As a Special Agent, I have investigated numerous matters during the course of which I have conducted physical and electronic surveillance, interviewed witnesses, executed court-authorized search warrants and used other investigative techniques to secure relevant information regarding a variety of crimes. I am familiar with the facts and circumstances set forth below from my personal review of records, documents and other physical evidence obtained during this investigation, and from communications and information provided to me by fellow agents and other government personnel with knowledge related to this investigation.
2. On or about May 30, 2020 at approximately 12:57 a.m., an individual, later identified as the defendant UROOJ RAHMAN, exited a tan minivan and approached a New York City Police Department (“NYPD”) vehicle parked in the vicinity of the NYPD’s 88th Precinct located in Fort Greene, Brooklyn. Video surveillance from the NYPD’s 88th Precinct captured the events. After the defendant RAHMAN approached the NYPD vehicle, she lit and threw an incendiary device, comprised of a bottle containing an incendiary chemical (sometimes referred to as a “Molotov cocktail” device) into the NYPD
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vehicle through a previously broken window, which set fire to the console of the NYPD vehicle. The defendant RAHMAN then returned to the tan minivan, which fled the scene.
3. Law enforcement observed the defendant RAHMAN throw the Molotov cocktail into the NYPD vehicle and followed the tan minivan during its attempt to flee. Shortly thereafter, an NYPD patrol vehicle stopped the tan minivan, later identified as a tan 2015 Chrysler Town and Country minivan with New York license plate JMU 7197, in the vicinity of 200 Willoughby Avenue. NYPD officers thereafter placed the driver, defendant COLINFORD MATTIS and the passenger, defendant RAHMAN, under arrest. During the arrest, officers observed in plain view several precursor items to build a Molotov cocktail, including a lighter, a bottle filled with toilet paper and a liquid suspected to be gasoline in the vicinity of the passenger seat and a gasoline tank in the rear of the vehicle.
4. A review of law enforcement databases shows that the defendant MATTIS is the registered owner of the tan 2015 Chrysler Town and Country minivan.
5. The NYPD vehicle is the property of the NYPD and the New York City government. Both the NYPD and New York City government conduct business in interstate commerce, for instance by purchasing vehicles and other equipment and supplies in interstate commerce. The activities of the NYPD and the New York City government in enacting and enforcing laws also affect interstate commerce.
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WHEREFORE, your deponent respectfully requests that the defendant COLINFORMDATTISandUROOR
Sworn to before me this 30th day of May, 2020
Special Agent, Federal Bureau ofInvestigation
SWORN VIA TELEPHONE
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I can make a variety of distinctions.

One is organizational and systemic. It doesn't have to be government, it can be the Catholic Church protecting pedophile priests.

The other is random people.

If you witness 3 gang members sexually assaulting a woman while walking home from a bar one night, and you don't intervene, you are a rapist? That's the argument you are making?
Of course not, and you are well aware of that. If not maybe you should re-read my response. I did not state that you had to stop them. You could report them (recording them would be kind of creepy). Celebrating the destruction, looting, harm and death or turning a blind eye to it is what I am referencing.
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Old 06-01-2020, 03:52 PM   #169
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I'm curious, who are these agitators the right is bringing into these protests?


The left is accusing white nationalists of sending people in to stir things up.
The MN governor (or perhaps it was Minneapolis’ mayor) who said that there was a lot of activity on social media of white national groups urging their followers to stir things up.


Oh, and Trump looks fucking deranged today. Yeah, way to talk with the country’s governors .
Way to burn down bridges, moron.


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Absolutely fucking nobody.


Yeah, too bad there’s many sources in this


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That article merely confirms that extremists are there. Extremists are always present at these events. Now, from there, use that noggin that’s attached to your shoulders and ask yourself what the right would possibly have to gain by inciting riots in American cities. I’ll help you cut to the chase - nothing. Now ask yourself what the far left and Antifa have to gain by riots in American cities. Answer - a lot more.
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That article merely confirms that extremists are there. Extremists are always present at these events. Now, from there, use that noggin that’s attached to your shoulders and ask yourself what the right would possibly have to gain by inciting riots in American cities. I’ll help you cut to the chase - nothing. Now ask yourself what the far left and Antifa have to gain by riots in American cities. Answer - a lot more.


You missed my point.
BOTH sides are accusing each other.
Both Mayors of St. Paul and Minneapolis are accusing white national groups of this.
So, yesC I’m correct; both sides are accusing the other of doing this.

But you’re right, the left clearly has more of a reason to do so.


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I haven't heard of any which is why I asked, we'll see what he has to say.
It is supposedly white supremacist groups. The exact opposite of what is going down.
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Just watched the President's press conference on the riots. He recommended governors rolling out the national guard in the affected states and if they don't he will send the military in to protect private property and innocent lives until the rioters are done in and straight up said that the organizers of the riots, ANTIFA and the such are going to jail for a very long time..

I thought it was great off the cuff speech, short but to the point.

This just.

Of Course, Charlie Baker in MA and some of our friends that have moved on to other platforms are spinning this completely differently.
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You missed my point.
BOTH sides are accusing each other.
Both Mayors of St. Paul and Minneapolis are accusing white national groups of this.
So, yesC I’m correct; both sides are accusing the other of doing this.

But you’re right, the left clearly has more of a reason to do so.


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But those supposed white nationalist aren't the ones rioting so they are just deflecting the blame from where it should be. I've watched this shit go on since yesterday and not 1 report of a "white supremacist" looting or torching anything, unless you want to count ANTIFA as the white supremacist. Its clearly them, BLM and the liberal left that clearly want this to continue.
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You missed my point.
BOTH sides are accusing each other.
Both Mayors of St. Paul and Minneapolis are accusing white national groups of this.
So, yesC I’m correct; both sides are accusing the other of doing this.

But you’re right, the left clearly has more of a reason to do so.


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Both sides are accusing each other. One side is actually doing it. It’s the side that’s always done it in this country.
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Disbarred?!?!?

That’s attempted murder in the worst manner on 4 cops.

Maximum sentence x 4.
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The left is accusing white nationalists of sending people in to stir things up.
The MN governor (or perhaps it was Minneapolis’ mayor) who said that there was a lot of activity on social media of white national groups urging their followers to stir things up.


Oh, and Trump looks fucking deranged today. Yeah, way to talk with the country’s governors .
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It’s one thing to be subjected to this with public school teachers.

If I paid what it took to send my children to your school and support your salary I'd shoot my face off.
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