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Old 02-13-2006, 08:34 PM   #31
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The one thing I never understood about religions such as LDS and Baptists is the utter ban on drinking alcohol.

The Bible does not say that it is wrong to drink. Hell, through out the Bible people are drinking and being merry.

It's the act of overindulging that the Bible says is wrong. And that pertains to everything from drinking to eating to sleeping to watching TV. It falls under gluttony.

But the Bible, never condemns drinking.

I've just always wondered why there are religions out there that have.
The short answer is the whole body is a temple line of thinking. Alcohol is bad (mmmkay..). Even in moderation it kills brain cells, thus religions that follow that practice are against it. Luckily, I didn't have to worry too much. I can't stand the taste of alcohol. Beer, wine, liqour, pretty much all taste terrible to me.

As for wine references in the bible and such, this was a time when potable water wasn't always readily available.
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No, but that's a common mis-conception I've heard throughout my life.
So if you don't mind, what is the belief? I've heard that from a few people who claimed they got it straight out of some Mormons mouth.

And how come all of you guys are white? Do either you or Jheavner have any asians/blacks/hispanics in your congregations?
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Old 02-13-2006, 08:40 PM   #33
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So if you don't mind, what is the belief? I've heard that from a few people who claimed they got it straight out of some Mormons mouth.

And how come all of you guys are white? Do either you or Jheavner have any asians/blacks/hispanics in your congregations?
For the record, I've been inactive for about a year. At first, because I was working a second job on Sundays, and now mostly out of laziness.

To try and be brief, we believe in heaven, to the effect of three kingdoms. The highest for those who lived a pure, Christ-like life, where one can sit by the side of God (usually where the misconception derives from). The second for those not quite so good, and the third for the naughty folks (akin to hell).

It's more complex than that, but that's the basic idea.

As for the cultural diversity part, I've seen just about every ethnicity in our church. Up here, there's a rather high haitian congregation actually, but also black, asian, even indian (as in East).
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Did your man convert you? Was he a Mormon when you met? Or are you converting him? Who the hell did convert you?

Is the Mormon belief that after you die you'll be the God of your own world?
Whoa dude, let me breathe.

My man was raised a Mormon, but that didn't stop him from turning into the biggest Meth dealer in the town, among other things. Although he still new it was right, he wanted to have fun. He got out of all that stuff and was pretty good when we met. I mean, he didn't deal anymore. And by dealing I mean hooking his friends up, not going to kids at school or anything. Remember, this was Mariposa where you knew everyone. I knew everyone in the entire high school, about 500 people. Needless to say, the parties were the bomb.

I have always been a fan of JC, but not Mormon. I used to say terrible things about "them". He brought it up, but I shut him down. His Mom would say stuff, but then I would shut her up, too. (She wasn't a very good one, either.) It was when I let the Missionaries in that I started to beleive. It was just me home, so when I told my husband he was excited. We started to go to the Church and I was Baptized. That was such an amazing feeling.

Anyway, my old man still smoked (14 years, half of his life). Although I did everything else, I always hated smoking, so I always begged him to quit. He never could. He tried for the whole 4 years we were together and never could. And then we started going to the LDS church, where you know, they don't dig that kind of thing. So he quit. No problems. No withdrawls. Acted like he never had a problem to begin with. Did I mention he chewed everyday, too? That was more proof to me, that a man who smoked half of his life, who could quit everything else with no problem, could stop doing this that he had such a problem with. He had some good help (JC).



I have no clue where you are getting this "be the God of your Own World" stuff. We die and go to the Spirit World, Heaven. There are different layers for the different kinds of souls. All this stuff is in the Bible. All the questionable stuff I had about this Church, was proven to me in MY Bible the KJV. Not some funny version they have like the JW do. The showed me the answers from something I knew already, not the Book of Mormon (I thought that was the Devil's tool).

I guess you could say the Missionaries converted me.
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And we all get another chance to accept/do better the Gospel once we reach the Kingdom.
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I have no clue where you are getting this "be the God of your Own World" stuff. We die and go to the Spirit World, Heaven. There are different layers for the different kinds of souls. All this stuff is in the Bible. All the questionable stuff I had about this Church, was proven to me in MY Bible the KJV. Not some funny version they have like the JW do. The showed me the answers from something I knew already, not the Book of Mormon (I thought that was the Devil's tool).
Weird. I asked the two hot chix who came to my door about that some years ago in Boston and they kinda dodged the question and never came back after that. I suppose they coulda realized they were wasting their time with me though.
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If anyone wants to know more, just give me your address. I'll be happy to send someone around.

Back on the knocking on doors topic, yes, they still do that. It seems these days though that it's not quite as common as it once was. I run across missionaries in public places more than see them in neighborhoods.

I always took a little pride in some folklore research my sister in law did when she was in college. She contacted most of the major religions requesting materials about their beliefs. From LDS of course she got a Book of Mormon and a Bible. Others sent Bibles, or books about them, pamphlets, whatever they used. JWs came a'knocking a couple days later, and more times afterwards. Others called a few times or sent people by. The Mormons called, asked if she'd received the materials, then asked if she would like someone to stop by to discuss them. She said no, and that was it. No knocks, no calls, they just left her a contact number and said call if she ever had questions or wanted to discuss. She told me she was pretty impressed with the fact that they didn't push.
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Weird. I asked the two hot chix who came to my door about that some years ago in Boston and they kinda dodged the question and never came back after that. I suppose they coulda realized they were wasting their time with me though.
They're kind of trained to deal with abuse and door slamming, and not to push it with those who don't want to listen.
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So my doorbell just rang and my dog Shadow starts barking like a mofo (good girl). I go open it and there they are with their white shirts, backpacks, and name tags. I barely opened the door halfway and recognize em for what they are and blurt out "Mormons, forget it, see ya" and start closing the door when one of em asks "do you know anyone in the neighborhood who can use an uplifting message maybe?" This hits me with the kind of laughter that shoots soda out your nose. Somehow I managed to get out "no" as I closed the door but I'm sure that wont stop em.

Was that mean?
Ya' know, this reminds me of an old joke...

What's the difference between a Mormon and a Yugo?

You can't slam the door on a Yugo, bud.

P.S. I can't tell you how many times I've just simply said to people, with no accent or emphasized tone, "I don't speak English" and either walked away or shut the door in their face.

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Oh, and for the record, I think Orgazmo is one of the funniest friggin movies ever made, despite ragging on Mormon's pretty bad. If you've never seen it, give it a shot.
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I didn't get the alcohol part, either. And then I paid attention.

Your body is your temple (that is in the Bible) for the Holy Ghost, treat it right, basically. And wine back in the day wasn't very hardcore.

And there are a lot of cultures in my Church. We have to have a whole 'nother meeting time for the Hmongs.
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And how come all of you guys are white? Do either you or Jheavner have any asians/blacks/hispanics in your congregations?

I'm still wondering about this question.

I'm not accusing mormons of being racist or anything I'm generally curious. Lets say over my lifetime 25 Mormons have come to my door at various points. They were all white and under 30.
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I'm still wondering about this question.

I'm not accusing mormons of being racist or anything I'm generally curious. Lets say over my lifetime 25 Mormons have come to my door at various points. They were all white and under 30.
My ward up here had 2 black Missionaries when I was active, and like I said a rather large Haitian contingent (most of which would of course be black). Back home down South, we had a pretty good mix of black and white, with a few Asians and an Indian couple, I believe they converted from Muslim, though I'm not positive on that.
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They were all white and under 30.
Not only are they all white, they're all very pale and the carrying the wrong chromosones.
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I know a Black woman got up for a talk during the Sacrament service and talked about how it wasn't acceptable by some of her family for her to be LDS.

I think because different cultures usually have their own thing going on. A lot of Blacks are Baptist, and then there is Bhuddism and Islam and Hindu. Most white people can roam around without gettiing any flack.

Richard Gere and Goldie Hawn are Bhuddist.

Gladys Knight is a Mormon.

There sure don't fit into the "mold" viewed from the outside.
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