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Old 05-10-2020, 01:54 PM   #16
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The top five QBs based on QBRs last season were, in their drafts, selected 32nd, 10th, 64th, 135th, and 75th, respectively. In the Super Bowl, the 10th overall pick beat out a guy picked 62nd.



It isn't a myth that the NFL is a QB-driven league, but it is a myth that teams need to pick one near the top of the draft to be successful.
This.
And I RARELY disagree with Hawgie, but the other parts of sb winning qbs correlations with 1st rounders are:

1)probably more qbs picked in 1st than other offensive positions(maybe wr close?)
2) fairly average qbs picked in the 1st who keep starting due to $, etc.(sunk costs/replacement cost), and who may have done enough in a playoff run or two, (Eli, Flacco)
3) top performing qbs over years who did almost nothing in playoff runs/sbs(peyton)

I think the most fair thing to do to evaluate their playoff value is look at the 1st round qbs' playoff performances vs. all other qbs' playoff performances
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Old 05-10-2020, 04:34 PM   #17
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You cannot teach heart, you cannot teach commitment. You cannot teach leadership. You cannot teach a guy that lives in the playbook, and film room, and you cannot teach the drive to get better.
The USMC begs to differ. It's what they do, everything you can can't be done. Except the marines aren't big on film study, of course.

People, especially youngsters just coming out of college can learn more than you give them credit for and can have 180 degree reversals in attitude and behavior with the right teacher.

That's what BB does. So many players who were mediocre with their earlier teams suddenly do so much better here. BB has been doing it in Fozxboro since he signed Packers' cut Joe Andruzzi and Steelers castoff Mike Vrabel, etc etc in 2001 and has kept doing it for almost 20 years now. He even replaced Vrabel with Rob Ninkovich. Nickovich who played a total of 8 games in his first three seasons before BB taught him all the stuff you say can't be taught. Then he replaced Nink with the formerly underachieving Kyle Van Noy now highly paid star Kyle Van Noy.

It's what BB does. Not every player every time, but surely even you can't deny that BB does this on a regular basis, even if you won't admit that Brady is a much better QB for having been coached by BB.
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I think Bill can develop virtually anyone. .

It's what makes the Stidham thing so fascinating. The national media assumed NE would get a QB since he is nothing but a 4th round pick, but at this point, Bill and Josh know his abilities better than anyone, and they obviously think he has something.



I could see the team winning only four games, I could see them losing only four games -- or anything in between. I think it's why BB is already the betting favorite to win coach of the year. If he develops another late round QB into a division winning star, he'll lock it up.
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Old 05-10-2020, 09:42 PM   #19
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The USMC begs to differ. It's what they do, everything you can can't be done. Except the marines aren't big on film study, of course.

People, especially youngsters just coming out of college can learn more than you give them credit for and can have 180 degree reversals in attitude and behavior with the right teacher.

That's what BB does. So many players who were mediocre with their earlier teams suddenly do so much better here. BB has been doing it in Fozxboro since he signed Packers' cut Joe Andruzzi and Steelers castoff Mike Vrabel, etc etc in 2001 and has kept doing it for almost 20 years now. He even replaced Vrabel with Rob Ninkovich. Nickovich who played a total of 8 games in his first three seasons before BB taught him all the stuff you say can't be taught. Then he replaced Nink with the formerly underachieving Kyle Van Noy now highly paid star Kyle Van Noy.

It's what BB does. Not every player every time, but surely even you can't deny that BB does this on a regular basis, even if you won't admit that Brady is a much better QB for having been coached by BB.


This is football....Bill is a defensive minded coach, thats what BB does. Does he make defensive players better? You bet...offensive players? Eh...

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To a degree.

Letís be real here. The guys weíre talking of are typically coming from high profile D1 schools. The athletic traits have been filtered already. You are not a poor athletic specimen and heading a D1 program. You just arenít.

I think a guy like Bill CAN take a kid who maybe hasnít been shown how to prepare or train or utilize the gift of film to its upmost potential and show him how itís done at the highest level.
Well yeah I mean a lot of coaches can, but I think Bill can do that more for defensive guys than offensive guys. Beyond popular belief I dont think Bill can turn any QB into Brady or he would have done that a long time ago.
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Shaggy could be a fine pro QB. Maybe.

I'm going to watch how he handles himself around his coaches and with his teammates before I anoint him as a football Golden God. He seems to love him some him a bit too much. Maybe.

In any case, we won't be tanking anything anytime. It's possible we won't be competing for a Super Bowl this year, but there is no fucking way we will flat out suck.
There's a little hope that Stidham reads this thread and grows a yuge chip on his shoulder (like Brady)...and is amazing and stuff.

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Obviously, BB will never tank. Everyone should know this already...
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The defense looks like it could be pretty dang good for a few years, so, that's promising.



Stidham COULD be good. I'm not saying that he won't be. Hopefully he will be better than JimmyG ever will be.
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There's a little hope that Stidham reads this thread and grows a yuge chip on his shoulder (like Brady)...and is amazing and stuff.

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Obviously, BB will never tank. Everyone should know this already...
BB will never tank. He might win 8 or 9, but in every game he will be pushing as hard as he can to win. He is old school, and it would be a slap in the face for him to tank for a player, that is unlike him in every way. I dont know what Stidham will be, he is a complete mystery as to what he is going to do like most young QB's. Some get it and are good, some dont and are not. Its one of those positions you might not even know until a couple of years.
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