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Old 03-12-2013, 07:07 PM   #751
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Well, in your opinion OPT. Perhaps you don't need to comment any further by enjoying your win, now?
And if that's the case the Republicans are making a case of generational theft for the children currently too.

That video was not about Goodwin's law alone, it's based on historical fact studying the actual statistics of govt democide by many govts that were tyrannical.

The democide theory is not hyperbolic with an extensive study done on by a professor Rummel at the University Hawaii on how power kills. It was quite extensive and provides
a valid warning and lesson. He goes on to show the correlation.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/
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Perhaps I wasn't clear.

There are other corollaries to Goodwin's law, specifically that the person who first mentions Nazi's "loses".

I assumed that since I identified it as my corollary, it was my opinion.
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Old 03-12-2013, 07:21 PM   #752
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Of course the logical fallacy in what you're posting is that a government doesn't have to be tyrannical in order to have a gun control agenda.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:21 PM   #753
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Of course the logical fallacy in what you're posting is that a government doesn't have to be tyrannical in order to have a gun control agenda.
To those that want gun control it's a fallacy because to them it makes sense. To those against gun control it's not fallacious logic. So they use history to back it up.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905
However, Goodwin's Law is not considered one of the logical fallacies in argumentation. It's usenet trivia and doesn't mean a person automatically loses an argument. Actually it's used to claim victory over someone in order to end an argument or shut someone up.

You can read more here:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/

and

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GodwinsLaw
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:42 PM   #754
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To those that want gun control it's a fallacy because to them it makes sense. To those against gun control it's not fallacious logic. So they use history to back it up.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905
However, Goodwin's Law is not considered one of the logical fallacies in argumentation. It's usenet trivia and doesn't mean a person automatically loses an argument. Actually it's used to claim victory over someone in order to end an argument or shut someone up.

You can read more here:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/

and

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GodwinsLaw
My point had nothing to do with Godwin's law, but thanks for the links.
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:57 AM   #755
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As a bill as a whole, the assault weapon ban is dead. Likely is universal background checks. That means that magazine limits (which does nothing in reality as tested in a video I will post last in this post) is probably the only thing that I don't want passed.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2...ult-Weapon-Ban

That doesn't mean it is dead completely, but hopefully those who say they will vote against any gun control will vote against it (which is why it won't get voted on as it is right now) as an amendment also (which is how the last ineffective one got in).



Watch this and tell me how a magazine size ban will allow you to get to an attacker. It only allows you to get closer which would make you more of a victim then a hero because by the time you figure out they are reloading, they are done reloading and shooting again.
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Watch this and tell me how a magazine size ban will allow you to get to an attacker. It only allows you to get closer which would make you more of a victim then a hero because by the time you figure out they are reloading, they are done reloading and shooting again.
This video is unconvincing. The guy doing the shooting is practiced and is counting his shots to keep a round in the chamber while he switches mags. Unless a shooter is as well practiced, there is going to be more time during re-loads because the shooter is going to empty the weapon, especially when under stress. There will be ample time to take action during certain senarios if the magazine capacity is lessoned.
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What, two or three seconds. Add in two or three seconds you have to decide to run. I don't see how if they know what they are doing versus don't know will make a difference. My fiance has never done magazine changes before a few weekends ago and she was able to change a magazine in about three seconds on my .22 rifle on her first try. She had never done one (I always loaded the gun, walked up to the shooting location with the safety on with the gun ready to fire once taken off, and then handed her the gun) and she let the magazine run out.

Frankly, last July I fired a .22lr AR 15 for a shooting match and I had never changed magazines in a rifle before in my life and was doing it in three seconds going until it was empty.

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What, two or three seconds. Add in two or three seconds you have to decide to run. I don't see how if they know what they are doing versus don't know will make a difference. My fiance has never done magazine changes before a few weekends ago and she was able to change a magazine in about three seconds on my .22 rifle on her first try. She had never done one (I always loaded the gun, walked up to the shooting location with the safety on with the gun ready to fire once taken off, and then handed her the gun) and she let the magazine run out.

Frankly, last July I fired a .22lr AR 15 for a shooting match and I had never changed magazines in a rifle before in my life and was doing it in three seconds going until it was empty.
The vid you posted is purposly misleading. Three seconds can be a long time in some circumstances.
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The vid you posted is purposly misleading. Three seconds can be a long time in some circumstances.
No pressure 3 seconds is easily 5 or 6 when rattled.... A lot can happen.

Hey punish criminals not the good law abiding citizen who own.

40 year old douchebag in Florida was sectioned, got out and went looking for his guns because the neighbors are going to get him... Luckily his Mom turned them in. But wait!!!! He went to Walmart and bought another one and I am waiting to see if she turned him in again because drugs and guns with an insane douchebag is bad.

If she hasn't I may call the local pd where he lives and question it
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This video is unconvincing. The guy doing the shooting is practiced and is counting his shots to keep a round in the chamber while he switches mags. Unless a shooter is as well practiced, there is going to be more time during re-loads because the shooter is going to empty the weapon, especially when under stress. There will be ample time to take action during certain senarios if the magazine capacity is lessoned.
As i said in a previous post, a 10 round limit implies that killing 10 people is "acceptable", but killing 11 is not.

Might as well call this the "Spinal Tap" law

Now as far as reloading is concerned, IIRC, most of these whack jobs had more than one weapon. So they could simply drop one weapon and draw another.
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Harry Reid says Feinstein's bill won't clear the Senate.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/19/politi...html?hpt=hp_t1
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Harry Reid says Feinstein's bill won't clear the Senate.

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