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Old 05-09-2012, 11:00 AM   #46
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Well, it doesn't per se, though you could certainly make the case that pro-lifers should go adopt all the unwanted babies.

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This makes as much sense as saying that all pro-gay marriage people (and I'm one of them) should go out and marry a homosexual.

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Old 05-09-2012, 11:02 AM   #47
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This makes as much sense as saying that all pro-gay marriage people (and I'm one of them) should go out and marry a homosexual.

Not sure thats the same...I mean we would have to be homosexual. Its not as though Homosexuals are needing partners.
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:02 AM   #48
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As I said, it was a general statement, I already apologized for how I mistook his post about 8 posts ago, so.....I do wonder however, why he is ok to say that I feel a certain way in his post without a stern talking to by Jaric.
I only have time to babysit one poster, and you're pretty much a full time job.

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Old 05-09-2012, 11:03 AM   #49
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I still don't see how that translates into having to take responsibility for other people's actions.

Just because I've detemined that abortion is killing a child, that doesn't mean that I have to raise that child because someone else can't keep their dick in the pants.

I mean, if you think that dropping a baby in a dumpster is wrong, does that mean you are're a hypocrite if you don't decide to raise it for the parents?
they determined the possible list of adopting parents now excludes not only Gay/Lesbians couples but also heterosexual couples in a civil union. the decision was based on faith, the same faith that wants to ban abortions.... Not speaking for steve but my read on his comment is if you want to stop abortions, and create an abundance of parentless childrenonly to follow it up you prohibit people from adopting, it is your responsibility to step up and help, to adopt a child.
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I only have time to babysit one poster, and you're pretty much a full time job.

Well his post was first, so you had ample time....but...as usual.... I try as often as I can, not to just make blanket statements about someone...everything is a shade of grey and well, I have never said that most people on here are anti gay marriage...not even once.
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:09 AM   #51
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they determined the possible list of adopting parents now excludes not only Gay/Lesbians couples but also heterosexual couples in a civil union. the decision was based on faith, the same faith that wants to ban abortions.... Not speaking for steve but my read on his comment is if you want to stop abortions, and create an abundance of parentless childrenonly to follow it up you prohibit people from adopting, it is your responsibility to step up and help, to adopt a child.
Yeah, I'm not buying that sorry. Believing that abortion is wrong doesn't equate to having to take responsibility for other people's mistakes.

Banning gays from adopting is a seperate issue though.
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:13 AM   #52
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The point was not to go off on a tangent about abortion, but adoption is painted as the better option to abortion.

Except for all those babies that never get adopted...

And now, they're assuring that even fewer will.
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Yeah, I'm not buying that sorry. Believing that abortion is wrong doesn't equate to having to take responsibility for other people's mistakes.

Banning gays from adopting is a seperate issue though.
But in going to those lengths to stop abortion, you are already taking responsibility for things.....If you are going to help stop something, then part of that is to have a plan in place for the results of what stopping that will do, which will be a lot of unwanted children....if you just want to say hey lets stop it and you do not have a plan for the unwanted children, sorry but that seems a bit selfish.
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:20 AM   #54
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But in going to those lengths to stop abortion, you are already taking responsibility for things.....If you are going to help stop something, then part of that is to have a plan in place for the results of what stopping that will do, which will be a lot of unwanted children....if you just want to say hey lets stop it and you do not have a plan for the unwanted children, sorry but that seems a bit selfish.


Selfish? Are you sure that's the word you want to use for this?
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Well I speak in general especially when that person uses my exact name in their quote, which he did.
I didn't use your exact name.
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:23 AM   #57
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please deal with my ignorance BUT

where does it specify that same sex can't marry? I mean is it in the constitution, bill of rights or some other document?

just wondering if someone can tell me when it became an issue that had to be legislated
Where does it specify that brothers and sisters can't marry? Is that in the Constitution?

Where does it specify that you can't marry multiple women?

The fact of the matter is that there are laws against incest and polygamy.

If consenting adults have the "right" to get married, then those laws are also null and void.

I'm not saying that any of those types of marriage should or should not be allowed, or equating same sex marriage with incest or polygamy. I'm simply pointing out the consequences of using the "rights" argument and that the idea of restricting who can and cannot get married is an old idea.

If you accept that there is justification for incest and polygamy laws, then the question of who can and cannot marry is a question of policy, not rights.

Reasonable people can disagree on policy questions.
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Selfish? Are you sure that's the word you want to use for this?
Yeah....oh lets stop this abortion thing....well what about the unwanted children....oh, well thats not my problem...people want to win their little war but they do not think about the results and basically it seems do not care. Maybe instead of fighting abortion so much, they should spread the word on responsible sex....
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Well, it doesn't per se, though you could certainly make the case that pro-lifers should go adopt all the unwanted babies.
By that logic one can make the case that all pro-higher tax rates should donate more money to the government, but we know you don't support that idea.
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By that logic one can make the case that all pro-higher tax rates should donate more money to the government, but we know you don't support that idea.
Well sorta, but you can say that people that want all lower tax rates do not look at the results of that either....people are too quick to ride their war to the end, but not have a clue about the results....abortion is the same way...
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