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Old 06-29-2018, 05:52 PM   #16
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Tesla and Rife are my favs...

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Einstein was a fraud...
That is one of the most ignorant statements I've read recently.

Note I said ignorant, not stupid.

Einstein's paper on the Photoelectric effect introduced the concept of light as consisting of photons and not being waves.

He won the Nobel Prize for this work.

There isn't a physicist alive today who would reject his work on the subject. They might suggest it needs modification, but all would accept the existence of "photons".

Special Relativity?

Yeah, his contribution there was more of combining bits and pieces that were there for anyone to see, so it wasn't a "novel" idea, like photons were, but he still was the guy who put it together.

There is ample experimental evidence to support the changes to time and length the theory predicts.

If you are familiar with the Pythagorean Theorem, and one accepts the two postulates that Einstein assumed, then there is no other possible outcome but the change in time and length he predicted.

If anyone is interested, I can go into the details. It really is simple to understand. Whether you think the Universe is designed that way, is a separate question.

General Relativity?

That came out of left field. Einstein is solely responsible for that. Again, there is ample experimental evidence (precession of Mercury anyone?) to support the theory.

Granted, he didn't accept the Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, with his "god does not throw dice" comment, but he wasn't alone in that regard.

So no, he wasn't a "fraud".
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One day I am going to get this poster, i should have had it by now or a version of it.
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That is one of the most ignorant statements I've read recently.

Note I said ignorant, not stupid.

Einstein's paper on the Photoelectric effect introduced the concept of light as consisting of photons and not being waves.

He won the Nobel Prize for this work.

There isn't a physicist alive today who would reject his work on the subject. They might suggest it needs modification, but all would accept the existence of "photons".

Special Relativity?

Yeah, his contribution there was more of combining bits and pieces that were there for anyone to see, so it wasn't a "novel" idea, like photons were, but he still was the guy who put it together.

There is ample experimental evidence to support the changes to time and length the theory predicts.

If you are familiar with the Pythagorean Theorem, and one accepts the two postulates that Einstein assumed, then there is no other possible outcome but the change in time and length he predicted.

If anyone is interested, I can go into the details. It really is simple to understand. Whether you think the Universe is designed that way, is a separate question.

General Relativity?

That came out of left field. Einstein is solely responsible for that. Again, there is ample experimental evidence (precession of Mercury anyone?) to support the theory.

Granted, he didn't accept the Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, with his "god does not throw dice" comment, but he wasn't alone in that regard.

So no, he wasn't a "fraud".
Yes, he was. He worked in a patent office as a clerk. Go ahead, look it up.

History is bunk - Henry Ford.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_einstein.htm

He was great...at stealing though. Congrats to that.
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I'm an INTP. I don't know what the extra T is about.

I'm very INTP, too. I check off like very box.

EDIT: I looked into INTP-A vs INTP-T. I'm not sure which I would fall under. It's not very clear the distinction. I'm not sure I buy into it, but whatever...shrinks like their terms and definitions....makes them feel like real scientists and doctors, I guess.
Me too...

16personalities.com is where I took the test thingy...

T = turbulent.
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Yes, he was. He worked in a patent office as a clerk. Go ahead, look it up.

History is bunk - Henry Ford.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_einstein.htm

He was great...at stealing though. Congrats to that.
If anyone really plays investigator, they will discover a lot of history is actually BS.

Fake news didn't just recently happen...it's been around for a long fucking tjme.
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I have one like this.

I need to make that shirt. I loved Calculus and the deriving to get the formulas I needed to do the problem.

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Tesla was more of an engineer than a physicist.

My favorite?

Feynman.

The man was a stone cold genius and loved to poke the bear.

Supposedly, when he was at Los Alamos working on the Manhattan project, he used to sneak out somehow and then walk back through the gate, presenting his ID.

The guards would freak because he never had "officially" left the compound. He said he did it just for that very reason.

He was also one of the best teachers for physics that I can think of (yes that includes Sears and Zemansky).

His "Lectures on Physics" is legendary for a reason. He had a true gift to explain things so that those listening/reading could understand him.


I can bend a bit to that. Still love him and the many inventions he has done and could have done. I inhale anything on him.
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FROM YOUR ENTRY:

“Just like students, currents always choose the path of least resistance.”

And I personally, along w/many others, like to point out there are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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I need to make that shirt. I loved Calculus and the deriving to get the formulas I needed to do the problem.
Yeah, and calculus was why physicists and mathematicians don't always get along.

When I went to UCONN in the late 70's, I was a Physics major and the Physics department and the Math department didn't get along very well.

Part of the problem was that the way they taught math. They did a good job of teaching us how to use any given technique, but spent zero time on teaching us when to use any given technique.

The "when" part really only comes into play with some of the higher levels of math.

The Physics professors used to like to rag on Math by claiming they "made up" stuff to solve problems. Physics they said, couldn't do that because it had to match the experiment.

I recall on of my professors take on this was how a Mathematician came up with a proof.

The start with their postulates and progress along their line of reasoning. They get to a point where they can't continue in the direction they want to. Call this Point A.

So they jump to the final conclusion they're trying to prove and work backwards until they get to another stopping point, call this Point B.

As my professor put it "They wave their hands and define Point A as being equal to Point B, and voila! the proof is established!"

Exaggeration?

Not really.

Consider the natural logarithm.

How did that come into existence?

Well if one recalls their differential calculus, what is the rule for taking the derivative of a polynomial function?

One multiplies the variable by the exponent and reduce the power of the exponent by 1.

So X^2 becomes 2X, leaving out the constants.

OK, so when one does an integral, you essentially reverse the process.

So the integral of X becomes X^2, again leaving out the constants.

So let's consider taking the integral of 1/X, otherwise known as X^-1.

If we follow the rule for polynomials, we add 1 and end up with X^0.

But anything raised to the 0 power has a value of 1, so we no longer have a variable. oops.

Not to fret, here comes the Natural Logarithm (Ln) to save the day!

By definition, the integral of 1/X is Ln(X).

So the Mathematicians, defined their way out of trouble.

Now, I fully accept the existence of the natural logarithm, as defined, and use it without a moment's hesitation, where appropriate.

I consider it as just one more example supporting Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem.
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Yeah, and calculus was why physicists and mathematicians don't always get along.

When I went to UCONN in the late 70's, I was a Physics major and the Physics department and the Math department didn't get along very well.

Part of the problem was that the way they taught math. They did a good job of teaching us how to use any given technique, but spent zero time on teaching us when to use any given technique.

The "when" part really only comes into play with some of the higher levels of math.

The Physics professors used to like to rag on Math by claiming they "made up" stuff to solve problems. Physics they said, couldn't do that because it had to match the experiment.

I recall on of my professors take on this was how a Mathematician came up with a proof.

The start with their postulates and progress along their line of reasoning. They get to a point where they can't continue in the direction they want to. Call this Point A.

So they jump to the final conclusion they're trying to prove and work backwards until they get to another stopping point, call this Point B.

As my professor put it "They wave their hands and define Point A as being equal to Point B, and voila! the proof is established!"

Exaggeration?

Not really.

Consider the natural logarithm.

How did that come into existence?

Well if one recalls their differential calculus, what is the rule for taking the derivative of a polynomial function?

One multiplies the variable by the exponent and reduce the power of the exponent by 1.

So X^2 becomes 2X, leaving out the constants.

OK, so when one does an integral, you essentially reverse the process.

So the integral of X becomes X^2, again leaving out the constants.

So let's consider taking the integral of 1/X, otherwise known as X^-1.

If we follow the rule for polynomials, we add 1 and end up with X^0.

But anything raised to the 0 power has a value of 1, so we no longer have a variable. oops.

Not to fret, here comes the Natural Logarithm (Ln) to save the day!

By definition, the integral of 1/X is Ln(X).

So the Mathematicians, defined their way out of trouble.

Now, I fully accept the existence of the natural logarithm, as defined, and use it without a moment's hesitation, where appropriate.

I consider it as just one more example supporting Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem.
This was a great read, thanks!. For some reason it made me thing of this. Not sure why.

In my senior year I had to take Physical Chemistry. This is the death of students for Chemistry majors. It is a combination of all the chemistry you have ever taken, all the math you have taken, all the physics you have taken and a few other outside sciences.

This was the class where the test had one problem with a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i and so below. If you did not derive correctly you were screwed. If you did not figure out what law that was being used to derived you were screwed. If you messed up on say d than you missed the rest. Partial credit, please, was not something that was given. This is a class that takes students two or three tries to pass, Yes, I am bragging I passed the first time for each section. I was inspired though it would be my only class left if I failed and no way was I going to pay tuition and room and board for one friggen class and its lab for each section of this class. I paid for my own degree. Not passing was not an option it just wasn’t in my mind. Granted of course I got the digs from fellow students saying teachers pets for this instructor The PC teacher I was in his office a lot and they ragged on me for that. But I passed and moved on while they had to pay for who knows how long until the completed this part of their requirements.

Not to mention this teacher just was hired from Howard University where he so proudly claimed had never given an A in his life of teaching his class.

Okay that is the class.

The first day of the first section six physics majors walk in. How do I know they are physics majors? Back than we knew each other the students and teachers. But if you sat near them, and I was in the row next to them, you could hear them saying how this was an easy class, how we, the chemist, were making a bit to do and so on and how they basically got this because they were Physics majors. They got cocky. I gave them this. They would get the Physics and Math but one year of Chemistry, one year of a science was required so not sure if they even took this, was not going to cut it. You have to know charges, balances and outcome. You have to know the laws and when to and not use them. You have to know about reactions, writing correct chemical equations and a host of other things that they, the Physics major, I bet had no knowledge in even if they had a year of Chemistry.

I smiled and probably giggled. We did a pool to see how soon they would drop out. I won with my bet of a week at most. That is when they all dropped out. Yeah, I got cocky but I won my bet.

In fact by midterm there were just three of us. The section section we had a handful, people wanting to soak in anything that might help soon those dropped out and again it was the three of us.


My strengths are Chemistry, Biology and Math but I inhale anything that has to do with Physics it is an awesome topic with so many twist and turns. Yes, I am a nerd.
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This was a great read, thanks!. For some reason it made me thing of this. Not sure why.

In my senior year I had to take Physical Chemistry. This is the death of students for Chemistry majors. It is a combination of all the chemistry you have ever taken, all the math you have taken, all the physics you have taken and a few other outside sciences.

This was the class where the test had one problem with a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i and so below. If you did not derive correctly you were screwed. If you did not figure out what law that was being used to derived you were screwed. If you messed up on say d than you missed the rest. Partial credit, please, was not something that was given. This is a class that takes students two or three tries to pass, Yes, I am bragging I passed the first time for each section. I was inspired though it would be my only class left if I failed and no way was I going to pay tuition and room and board for one friggen class and its lab for each section of this class. I paid for my own degree. Not passing was not an option it just wasn’t in my mind. Granted of course I got the digs from fellow students saying teachers pets for this instructor The PC teacher I was in his office a lot and they ragged on me for that. But I passed and moved on while they had to pay for who knows how long until the completed this part of their requirements.

Not to mention this teacher just was hired from Howard University where he so proudly claimed had never given an A in his life of teaching his class.

Okay that is the class.

The first day of the first section six physics majors walk in. How do I know they are physics majors? Back than we knew each other the students and teachers. But if you sat near them, and I was in the row next to them, you could hear them saying how this was an easy class, how we, the chemist, were making a bit to do and so on and how they basically got this because they were Physics majors. They got cocky. I gave them this. They would get the Physics and Math but one year of Chemistry, one year of a science was required so not sure if they even took this, was not going to cut it. You have to know charges, balances and outcome. You have to know the laws and when to and not use them. You have to know about reactions, writing correct chemical equations and a host of other things that they, the Physics major, I bet had no knowledge in even if they had a year of Chemistry.

I smiled and probably giggled. We did a pool to see how soon they would drop out. I won with my bet of a week at most. That is when they all dropped out. Yeah, I got cocky but I won my bet.

In fact by midterm there were just three of us. The section section we had a handful, people wanting to soak in anything that might help soon those dropped out and again it was the three of us.


My strengths are Chemistry, Biology and Math but I inhale anything that has to do with Physics it is an awesome topic with so many twist and turns. Yes, I am a nerd.
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As a Physics major, the average class size for my upper division courses was 4.

It's one of the reasons I stayed a Physics major.

As a Freshman, I declared as a Physics major, with the assumption I'd change to an Engineering major.

I wasn't sure which discipline was the "right" fit, so I started with Physics, since everything I took in the first two years would be acceptable prerequisites for any given Engineering major.

However, the upper division Engineering courses averaged 45 students. So I stuck with Physics and the 4 students.

That was good and bad.

The good was that since there were so few students, I could propose that we not meet at the specified schedule.

The standard was 1 hour on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, or 1 1/2 hours on Tuesday Thursday.

I proposed 2 to 2 1/2 hours on Tuesday or Wednesday. The less than 3 hours total could be justified by not having to review anything at the start of any given session.

So basically, I only had courses on Tuesday and Wednesday my Junior and Senior year.

Anyway, when I took my Thermodynamics course, the professor was a real piece of work.

His hair resembled Larry from the Three Stooges.

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Half his shirt was always pulled out in the back, and when he tucked one half in, it pulled out the other half.

I know Thermo puts fear in many students, but if you set aside any questions about what it "means", and simply look at what it says, it's not that complicated.

It was the meaning issue that irked Professor "Larry".

He paused class one day to say to us, "You clearly have not grasped Thermodynamics because you have not asked any really stupid questions yet."

My response was, "Professor, have you considered that your dynamic instruction methods have given us such a fundamental understanding of the topic that we have no need to ask stupid question?"

His response was, "Fine Mr. OPT, if you have such a fundamental understanding of Thermodynamics, explain the second law in your own words."

The Second Law deal with Entropy.

I paused, looked at him and responded, "Eventually, everything ends up on the floor."

He had no response.

EDIT: Oh and for the record, I'm a Geek


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Cool story, maybe you'll "get" this one.

As a Physics major, the average class size for my upper division courses was 4.

It's one of the reasons I stayed a Physics major.

As a Freshman, I declared as a Physics major, with the assumption I'd change to an Engineering major.

I wasn't sure which discipline was the "right" fit, so I started with Physics, since everything I took in the first two years would be acceptable prerequisites for any given Engineering major.

However, the upper division Engineering courses averaged 45 students. So I stuck with Physics and the 4 students.

That was good and bad.

The good was that since there were so few students, I could propose that we not meet at the specified schedule.

The standard was 1 hour on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, or 1 1/2 hours on Tuesday Thursday.

I proposed 2 to 2 1/2 hours on Tuesday or Wednesday. The less than 3 hours total could be justified by not having to review anything at the start of any given session.

So basically, I only had courses on Tuesday and Wednesday my Junior and Senior year.

Anyway, when I took my Thermodynamics course, the professor was a real piece of work.

His hair resembled Larry from the Three Stooges.

[IMG]https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*8O3MeV31yd_QDeMnKRXZrw.jpeg[/IMG]

Half his shirt was always pulled out in the back, and when he tucked one half in, it pulled out the other half.

I know Thermo puts fear in many students, but if you set aside any questions about what it "means", and simply look at what it says, it's not that complicated.

It was the meaning issue that irked Professor "Larry".

He paused class one day to say to us, "You clearly have not grasped Thermodynamics because you have not asked any really stupid questions yet."

My response was, "Professor, have you considered that your dynamic instruction methods have given us such a fundamental understanding of the topic that we have no need to ask stupid question?"

His response was, "Fine Mr. OPT, if you have such a fundamental understanding of Thermodynamics, explain the second law in your own words."

The Second Law deal with Entropy.

I paused, looked at him and responded, "Eventually, everything ends up on the floor."

He had no response.

EDIT: Oh and for the record, I'm a Geek

Thermodynamics a blast from the past. I remember waiting outside in the hall sitting on the floor as my boyfriend, now husband, took this class. I had four takeaways from this.

1- The class sounded amazing!
2- The teacher was no joke
3- I am glad I did not have to take this class. LOL
4- I felt horrible for the students.

My physics instructor sounds like your teacher. He would come in with shirt half tucked, come in with a comb in his hair, he would come in late, some days he never came in, other days come in with food to eat as he taught. Snaggle tooth Ragland is what students called him. LOL Oh my gosh you invoked that memory. Haha

My third year of college is when I decided to change my major to Chemistry. I was told that would mean an extra year of school. And like I wrote earlier that to me was not an option. I was not going to take on that financial added burden. So I took 20-22 credit hours for six straight semesters two of which were during the summer and did this while working a job plus work study.

For us Chemistry and Physics were one department and that is why we knew who was who. I did graduate on time and in fact graduated the top of my department. However if I had to take Thermo I am not sure I would be able to make that claim. I guess since I did not have to take it my fascination for it was not squashed.

The Physics department was small and like you small classes for the major classes. But where we were different in this and that when it came to math that common bond was there.

The last year my classes normally had a half dozen since Organic Chem, a bitch of a class, the Calculus, and Analytical Chem would weed out some of my classmates. And that came in handy for lab work we could do it at the assigned time or come when we were able to come.

Again, loved your post shugs.from my geek to another. Plus will have to pass on what you said about Therrmo to hubby. LOL. The little bit of Thermo I had to take was very interesting.
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