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Old 07-14-2018, 07:27 AM   #1
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Scarlett bullied out of Trannie role by LGBT

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Don't know that it can be characterized as bullying?

She was met with criticism and withdrew, no?
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I think there is no more counter-productive advocacy group than transgender activists. This was a fantastic opportunity to create empathy for your cause. ScoJo is an a-list movie star. People will go to see her in a movie just because she's in it. Plus she's a fantatsic actress and could have portrayed a character people could empathise with. You give non trans people a window in to your struggle which is how progress gets made.

But no. She didn't check off all your boxes so you bullied her away and now the movie probably won't get made. Or if it does a half dozen people will go see it because it's staring an actor no one has heard of before.

I mean, when people are actively trying to help and support you and you send them death threats and rage for their trouble why would you expect anyone to go out on a limb for you? That's how you get told to go fuck yourself which is what is happening more and more.

The entire advocacy strategy for the trans activist community seems to be intimidation and brute force. That's only going to breed resentment and is completely counter-productive. The worst thing is that many of the loudest and most hostile voices aren't even transgender themselves. They've just assumed the mantle of spokesperson and started shouting at anyone who doesn't 100% parrot the accepted dogma.

Quite frankly, if a someone wanted to undermine the cause from within I'm hard pressed to think of a more effective method.

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Don't know that it can be characterized as bullying?

She was met with criticism and withdrew, no?
No. Not as I see it. View it as you wish of course, but bullying lies behind all the hideous political correctness, imo.

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Don't know that it can be characterized as bullying?

She was met with criticism and withdrew, no?
Even if it's only criticism it's absurd

You think movies like Brokeback mountain and Milk didn't help advance the cause of gay rights? Were those movies homophobic because the A-list actors they got to portray the gay characters weren't gay themselves? The way you win people to your side is by giving them something they can relate to. Not by shouting at people trying to encourage empathy for your situation.

But hey. Mission accomplished. They probably won't make that movie now so the trans activists and religious zealots can both sleep peacefully in the beds now that that evil has been averted.

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It's worth noting that Scarlet already took a lot of similar flak as did the production company when she was cast for Ghost in the Shell (where the lead character of the source material was Asian), so she might have been a good bit more sensitive to any criticism this time around.

I still don't think it can be characterized as bullying but I like Jaric's argument about re: Brokeback - this would undoubtedly have been good for the trans case and if the result is that the movie gets nixed (or even that it doesn't get a full rollout), that's a terrible result for trans people.
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No. Not as I see it. View it as you wish of course, but bullying lies behind all the hideous political correctness, imo.

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It's worth noting that Scarlet already took a lot of similar flak as did the production company when she was cast for Ghost in the Shell (where the lead character of the source material was Asian), so she might have been a good bit more sensitive to any criticism this time around.
This is correct. However, if she's pulling out of a movie I think we can extrapolate that the flak she took probably rose higher than the level of a few random people on Twitter. Especially when my people (The nerds) have been continually villified as bullies based on rumors that the reason several star wars actors left social media because of harrassment. If we're being consistant, then we have to call this bullying.

Also, I know the people who are upset by this sort of thing and I know how they voice their displeasure.

Regarding the Ghost on the Shell issue:. Let me first off aknowledge I understand and respect the reasons why certain groups would be sensitive about representstion. I don't dispute that.

However. I would argue that unless race is a part of the story you're trying to tell, all that matters is the performance. Example: The movie A Time to Kill. Race is a central factor in the film. Certain characters need to be certain races or the story won't make sense. If Samuel L Jackson is replaced with a white dude, I'll be first in line to say that's nonsense.

Flip side: Netflix series about the Fall of Troy and the Trojan war. The role of Achilles is played by David Gyasi (pic at bottom). Obviously not Greek and I couldn't have cared less because he was awesome and skin color wasn't part of the story being told so it didn't matter.
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Even if it's only criticism it's absurd

You think movies like Brokeback mountain and Milk didn't help advance the cause of gay rights? Were those movies homophobic because the A-list actors they got to portray the gay characters weren't gay themselves? The way you win people to your side is by giving them something they can relate to. Not by shouting at people trying to encourage empathy for your situation.

But hey. Mission accomplished. They probably won't make that movie now so the trans activists and religious zealots can both sleep peacefully in the beds now that that evil has been averted.
You're totally right that the activism was counterproductive to publicizing their cause, but they do have the right to be activists. The studio and Scarlett didn't have to cave and if it was a good movie/performance, the haters would have been a very tiny minority.

If this story is being featured on conservative news aggregation sites as an example of liberal outrage, though, I think that's over the top.

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After that throw up in your own mouth awful movie "Lucy" she acted in, I doubt anyone thinks she is bringing all that much to the table.
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You're totally right that the activism was counterproductive to publicizing their cause, but they do have the right to be activists. The studio and Scarlett didn't have to cave and if it was a good movie/performance, the haters would have been a very tiny minority.

If this story is being featured on conservative news aggregation sites as an example of liberal outrage, though, I think that's over the top.
No one said they don't have a right to be activists. I'm saying if you're going to be one, you shouldn't be actively setting back the cause you're trying to advance.
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No one said they don't have a right to be activists. I'm saying if you're going to be one, you shouldn't be actively setting back the cause you're trying to advance.

Intersectionality is way more important than anything else. Clearly, they are principled to the point that they don't care if it gets made.The intersectional hierarchy is the cause, not some movie about the cause.
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Intersectionality is way more important than anything else. Clearly, they are principled to the point that they don't care if it gets made.The intersectional hierarchy is the cause, not some movie about the cause.
I'm not all that worried about the intersectionals. They invariably turn on each other which isn't a real solid growth strategy. The problem with organizing your hierarchy around who is the most oppressed is that the bulk of your group ends up being an oppressor and must purged. It's inherently unstable so I figure it's only a matter of time before they go away.
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I'm not all that worried about the intersectionals. They invariably turn on each other which isn't a real solid growth strategy. The problem with organizing your hierarchy around who is the most oppressed is that the bulk of your group ends up being an oppressor and must purged. It's inherently unstable so I figure it's only a matter of time before they go away.
If you mean go away, as in destroy the Democrat party, then you might have a point. Democrats no longer believe in free speech, intersectionality reigns supreme, it is populated by or being taken over by Democrat socialists, they embrace terrorist organization like ANTIFA and BLM, their main tactic is to interrupt people eating dinner or in public...I could go on. So, yeh, they may be eating their own but what will rise from the ashes?
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