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Old 12-11-2015, 02:36 PM   #31
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I'm probably as leftish as anyone here when it comes to guns and even I don't call for an outright ban on guns.
In an ideal world, I wouldn't want to have guns be part of everyday life, but we live in an imperfect world.
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The problem is you treat the issue as black and white - two extremes with no room in the middle for people who are fine with guns but would prefer regulations and not an outright ban.
Well, I think the pro-2nd amendment crowd sees it that way.

Just last year the administration made an attempt to ban the ammunation for the AR-15 without legislation. Mind you, the AR-15 is the #1 most common and most popular rifle in the nation. It failed thanks to the NRA.

I actually think the pro-2nd crowd would accept reasonable and informed regulations, but noone believes that would be the end of it. There will never be an end to it, because regulations are irrelevant when it comes to criminals and the homicidal. Every new attack would lead to calls for more regulation, regardless of whether those regulations would have done anything to prevent the crime, just as San Bernardino.....the regulations being pushed for nationally, using San Bernardino, are already in place in San Bernardino....and did not stop those homicidal freaks.

If the government wants to stop terrorist attacks, there is a lot they could do.....stop bombing muslim countries, muslim weddings, stop overthrowing governments in muslim nations. A foreign policy like that makes retribution inevitable and unstoppable.

...and in case anyone hasn't noticed, the longer the "War on Terror" goes on, the stronger they have gotten....worldwide. They're not just a few fanatics in caves any more....now they are all over the world, and running countries. We've lost the war. Our strategy is a catastrophic failure. We desperately need a new strategy.

If they want to stop madmen attacks, they need to focus on why there is a proliferation of madmen in our society all of a sudden.
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Old 12-11-2015, 03:03 PM   #33
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So because of paranoia, the pro-gun crowd would NOT accept reasonable regulation, if I read your post correctly.
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So because of paranoia, the pro-gun crowd would NOT accept reasonable regulation, if I read your post correctly.
What is gun control advocacy rooted in, if not paranoia?

EDIT: I already posted the quotes. The gun control eladers want outright abolishment of the second amendment. I'll bet if you took a poll of them, 80% would say they would like to revoke the second.
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So because of paranoia, the pro-gun crowd would NOT accept reasonable regulation, if I read your post correctly.
Well it's hard to pass off as paranoia when people like Janet Reno come right out and say the endgame is outright banning of all guns.

That's not some fringe lunatic on Twitter, that's a high ranking government official.
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Well it's hard to pass off as paranoia when people like Janet Reno come right out and say the endgame is outright banning of all guns.

That's not some fringe lunatic on Twitter, that's No Longer a high ranking government official.
FYP

So a lot of leftists want to ban guns.

A lot of rightist want to ban abortion.

Neither is going to happen.

That's no reason to throw common sense out the window.
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That's no reason to throw common sense out the window.
That Genie got out of the bottle years ago.
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That Genie got out of the bottle years ago.
When CONTROL of the citizens and personal gain for the politicians became acceptable to a portion of the citizenry - common sense and the rule of law went out the window.

14 people are murdered and 0bama calls for a reduction in our ability to defend ourselves via direct assault of the Constitution. The VERY FIRST THING HE DID.
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Is there a better description of the liberal menace?
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Is there a better description of the liberal menace?
Take your pick....

The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.

Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.


Most people want security in this world, not liberty.

All government, of course, is against liberty.

All by the eminently quotable HL Mencken, of course.

99% of Republicans in this country, of course, are liberal as well. Someday the Republican voters may notice that their elected officials bear no resemblance to their candidates, even though they are the same people.
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Thank you I too think it should be law as I do think you should have some type of gun license. I just found most who say there should be no voter ID laws use the argument we'll it's a constitutional right yada yada yada unless of course it's the second amendment.

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I have no issue with voter ID so long as they are willing to accept reasonable types of ID. Any kind of photo ID issued by an officially recognized institution should be acceptable. Universities, My Son found that his Notre Dame ID was not acceptable because it was not a state school. Also there are people who have been voting for decades but due to advanced age or some other physical disability no longer carry a DL. The state ID only is good for 3 years yet the state will not accept it if it is expired. Really? Why is that, how would an expired ID be less proof of Identification of an 80 something year old?
Have a voter ID easy. You register in a state and get an ID. Not sure why you need to go through all your hoops. If already registered and don't have an ID go to the town hall and get one. My mother never drove but she managed to get a state issue ID when my dad passed away. Was your son a resident? Or did he keep his own state residency? I have no issues without taking school issued IDs why let a voter vote in their state of residency and in a state they're s student in? They do have mail in votes. My sons and Son inlaw all voted over seas in our state election.

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Have a voter ID easy. You register in a state and get an ID. Not sure why you need to go through all your hoops. If already registered and don't have an ID go to the town hall and get one. My mother never drove but she managed to get a state issue ID when my dad passed away. Was your son a resident? Or did he keep his own state residency? I have no issues without taking school issued IDs why let a voter vote in their state of residency and in a state they're s student in? They do have mail in votes. My sons and Son inlaw all voted over seas in our state election.

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Dee my point is only that there is no need for some of the regulations about types of IDs. My son did vote but had to go back to get another ID to do so. Getting a state ID is not always simple in all states. Some states have gone out of their way to make it as difficult as possible for the poorest of their communities. Some people don't live in places that have access to public transportation. BTW Notre Dame is in Indiana where my Son grew up. I worked as a judge at the polls for many years and am amazed at the way things have been reworked to help whatever party in in power in the state.
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My dad voluntarily gave up his DL at age 85 (he's 87 now), but he waited too long (6 months) to get a state ID (he rarely has to show ID for anything so didn't think about needing one) and now the state won't accept his expired DL as any sort of proof he's who he says he is in order to GET a state ID. Lots of paperwork needed. He has a passport, but again...it is expired. Asking a guy who is almost 90, and a naturalized citizen for some of this stuff as far as CURRENT WITHIN 6 months is a bit much, IMHO.
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