>
Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums and Message Boards

Home Members List Top Posters Arcade Casino Toolbar
Go Back   Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums and Message Boards > The Razor > Politics and Religion Forum
Mark Forums Read rel="nofollow">Mark Forums Read
Register All Albums FAQDonate Calendar

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-04-2018, 04:12 PM   #46
Baron Samedi
Russian Bot 762X54R
 
Baron Samedi's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Framingham
Posts: 23,492
Posting Frequency


Casino cash: $379675
My Mood


Baron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museum
Baron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museum
Quote:
Originally Posted by tehmackdaddy View Post
In economics one of the first things taught is that resources have scarcity. In this example, the US Government has a limited amount of fake money it can borrow from its future self in order to effect change elsewhere in the world in order to promote itself as a positive force for good, thus the arbiters of the instruments of government will use that limited fake money to effect change in places that are politically expedient for them personally instead of in a more human-rights focused manner.

In short, nobody cares about Africa anymore. That was soooooo two decades ago. Totes lames.
You'll be surprised, Africa is a hot commodity right now, and thus will be a source of intervention in the not too distant future. It's the rare earths.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaric View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by benhamean View Post
Who is this self-important instigating douche-bag, anyway?
Dude, Baron has been a valued member of this forum for quite some time.
Peace, Prosperity, Liberty, Human Rights, Natural Rights, Civil Rights, Property Rights, Sound Money, Free Markets, Sovereignty, the Constitution, the Republic.

"Regulation puts in place rules that a large company like ours can easily comply with but that small start-ups can't." - Zuckerberg
  Baron Samedi is offline Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2018, 04:33 PM   #47
Baron Samedi
Russian Bot 762X54R
 
Baron Samedi's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Framingham
Posts: 23,492
Posting Frequency


Casino cash: $379675
My Mood


Baron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museum
Baron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museum
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaric View Post
Don't forget the mass rapes committed by the Red army on it's march through Poland to Germany.

The stories are absolutely horrific.
Glass house.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/bo...ii-france.html

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...a-1021298.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_d...ion_of_Germany

The occupation of Okinawa was particularly bad, and the Okinawans still resent American armed forces to this day for it.

Japan, after reports of what happened in Okinawa, set up brothels all over the country for the US servicemen to quell the prevalence of rape, and it was more or less successful. By the time the occupation was in full force, 70% of US servicemen had syphilis, and 50% had Gonorrhea.

There were incidents of units cutting phone lines into and out of villages and going on rape patrols, as well as an incident where they did the same to a hospital and raped the patients and staff.

That's what happens in war. It's unavoidable. Sending large armies into foreign places results in mass rapes of women and children. Hell, you even see it with the NATO peacekeeping forces in refugee camps today. The women and young girls have to submit to rape for food rations.

That's war. That's what happens. Winning nations tend not to make stories about their own soldiers participating in it, and they always print stories of the bad guys, the losers, doing it.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaric View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by benhamean View Post
Who is this self-important instigating douche-bag, anyway?
Dude, Baron has been a valued member of this forum for quite some time.
Peace, Prosperity, Liberty, Human Rights, Natural Rights, Civil Rights, Property Rights, Sound Money, Free Markets, Sovereignty, the Constitution, the Republic.

"Regulation puts in place rules that a large company like ours can easily comply with but that small start-ups can't." - Zuckerberg
  Baron Samedi is offline Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2018, 05:02 PM   #48
Jaric
Vae victis
 
Jaric's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Dagobah grow house
Posts: 50,266
Posting Frequency


Casino cash: $931837
My Mood


Jaric is a splendid one to beholdJaric is a splendid one to beholdJaric is a splendid one to beholdJaric is a splendid one to behold
Jaric is a splendid one to behold
Google "Unit 731"
__________________
Do, or do not. There is no try.

Your rep message is blank because my phone won't let me comment. Assume it says "you're awesome"
  Jaric is offline Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2018, 04:18 PM   #49
Oswlek
Registered User
 
Oswlek's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: In southcarolina's closet
Posts: 16,514
Posting Frequency


Casino cash: $282120


Oswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumOswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museum
Oswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumOswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumOswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumOswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumOswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumOswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumOswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumOswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museum
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaric View Post
Google "Unit 731"
In some ways I side with Baron on this one. In the act of war, people on all sides do disgusting things.

Of course, it is noteworthy that OPT's more pointed critique has not been responded to yet.

On that note, I'll pass along another story. My wife's grandfather was in the Polish army back during WWII. At some point, his battalion (regiment? I'm not fluent with military terms) met up with supposed Russian allies. When they got together, the Russians curiously took away the Poles' weapons. They explained it was a formality, but he was alarmed just the same, so that night he and a few fellow soldiers broke away from camp. They ended up having to make their way over hundreds of miles with no weapons and minimal supplies to get back home, which included a few close calls with other Russian military units.

None of the guys who stayed ever returned home.

As I said before, cartoon villains.
__________________
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan
  Oswlek is offline Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2018, 04:20 PM   #50
Jaric
Vae victis
 
Jaric's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Dagobah grow house
Posts: 50,266
Posting Frequency


Casino cash: $931837
My Mood


Jaric is a splendid one to beholdJaric is a splendid one to beholdJaric is a splendid one to beholdJaric is a splendid one to behold
Jaric is a splendid one to behold
There's the normal terrible behavior that goes with a war, and then there is Unit 731 terrible behavior.
__________________
Do, or do not. There is no try.

Your rep message is blank because my phone won't let me comment. Assume it says "you're awesome"
  Jaric is offline Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2018, 04:23 PM   #51
Jaric
Vae victis
 
Jaric's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Dagobah grow house
Posts: 50,266
Posting Frequency


Casino cash: $931837
My Mood


Jaric is a splendid one to beholdJaric is a splendid one to beholdJaric is a splendid one to beholdJaric is a splendid one to behold
Jaric is a splendid one to behold
I will say in defense of the Red Army, the things the German army did to the Russian population during occupation makes it pretty easy for me to understand why they behaved the way the did on the march to Berlin.

The atrocities on both sides will make your skin crawl.
__________________
Do, or do not. There is no try.

Your rep message is blank because my phone won't let me comment. Assume it says "you're awesome"
  Jaric is offline Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2018, 04:42 PM   #52
Oswlek
Registered User
 
Oswlek's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: In southcarolina's closet
Posts: 16,514
Posting Frequency


Casino cash: $282120


Oswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumOswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museum
Oswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumOswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumOswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumOswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumOswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumOswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumOswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumOswlek should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museum
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaric View Post
There's the normal terrible behavior that goes with a war, and then there is Unit 731 terrible behavior.
No doubt, which is why I said, "in some ways."

Either way, saying "everyone does it!" does nothing to rebut the larger point, it just picks the low hanging fruit.
__________________
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan
  Oswlek is offline Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2018, 09:52 PM   #53
Baron Samedi
Russian Bot 762X54R
 
Baron Samedi's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Framingham
Posts: 23,492
Posting Frequency


Casino cash: $379675
My Mood


Baron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museum
Baron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museum
Trump officials debate targeted N. Korea strike in ‘bloody nose’ strategy: report

http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...-against-north

The Trump administration’s North Korea plan pretty much starts a war
Trump’s national security adviser is advocating a “bloody nose” strategy — one that hopes they don’t strike back


https://www.salon.com/2018/01/09/the...-starts-a-war/

Trump administration debating whether they can bomb North Korea without North Korea striking back

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...-striking-back

Trump team leaks insane plan to attack North Korea to make Trump look tough

https://shareblue.com/trump-team-lea...mp-look-tough/

Trump White House Can’t Agree on Whether to Strike North Korean Facility

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-whi...104004375.html

Progress Between North and South Korea Marred by Reports of Trump Considering "Bloody Nose" Bombings

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...ng-bloody-nose

Tillerson and Mattis are reportedly trying to hold Trump back from striking North Korea

http://www.businessinsider.com/tille...-strike-2018-1



Looks like the MSM has been given permission to print it. All on the same day, all late...imagine that.

I'll be waiting for the Mea Culpa's. Who's first?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaric View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by benhamean View Post
Who is this self-important instigating douche-bag, anyway?
Dude, Baron has been a valued member of this forum for quite some time.
Peace, Prosperity, Liberty, Human Rights, Natural Rights, Civil Rights, Property Rights, Sound Money, Free Markets, Sovereignty, the Constitution, the Republic.

"Regulation puts in place rules that a large company like ours can easily comply with but that small start-ups can't." - Zuckerberg
  Baron Samedi is offline Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2018, 12:43 PM   #54
O_P_T
Why Be Normal
 
O_P_T's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Windsor, CT
Posts: 20,272
Posting Frequency


Casino cash: $780625
My Mood


O_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousy
O_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron Samedi View Post
Trump officials debate targeted N. Korea strike in ‘bloody nose’ strategy: report

http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...-against-north

The Trump administration’s North Korea plan pretty much starts a war
Trump’s national security adviser is advocating a “bloody nose” strategy — one that hopes they don’t strike back


https://www.salon.com/2018/01/09/the...-starts-a-war/

Trump administration debating whether they can bomb North Korea without North Korea striking back

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...-striking-back

Trump team leaks insane plan to attack North Korea to make Trump look tough

https://shareblue.com/trump-team-lea...mp-look-tough/

Trump White House Can’t Agree on Whether to Strike North Korean Facility

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-whi...104004375.html

Progress Between North and South Korea Marred by Reports of Trump Considering "Bloody Nose" Bombings

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...ng-bloody-nose

Tillerson and Mattis are reportedly trying to hold Trump back from striking North Korea

http://www.businessinsider.com/tille...-strike-2018-1



Looks like the MSM has been given permission to print it. All on the same day, all late...imagine that.

I'll be waiting for the Mea Culpa's. Who's first?
From The Hill article.

"U.S. officials have reportedly talked about the potential to conduct a targeted strike against sites in North Korea in a "bloody nose" strategy.

The Wall Street Journal reported that the strategy involves launching a targeted strike at a North Korean facility in response to a nuclear or missile test.

The strike would be an effort to show North Korea the potential consequences of its actions without leading to an all-out war.

Trump administration officials have discussed whether the idea would even be possible, according to the Journal."

Yet again, The Baron is conflating contingency planning with intent.

I certainly hope that the US is trying to figure out if it possible to use military force and not have that escelate into full blown war.

It simply isn't possible to evaluate any set of options if one doesn't do this type of analysis.

After all, it is a historical fact that military force can be used and a general war not break out.

Is that possible in NK?



That's what they are trying to figure out.
__________________
I AM PATRIOTS

"Some day I want to see them raise up on their piss-soaked hind legs and howl, "Jesus Christ, it's the Goddamned Patriots again and that son-of-a-f*cking-bitch Belichick".
Paraphrasing George S. Patton
  O_P_T is offline Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2018, 12:49 PM   #55
Jaric
Vae victis
 
Jaric's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Dagobah grow house
Posts: 50,266
Posting Frequency


Casino cash: $931837
My Mood


Jaric is a splendid one to beholdJaric is a splendid one to beholdJaric is a splendid one to beholdJaric is a splendid one to behold
Jaric is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally Posted by O_P_T View Post
Yet again, The Baron is conflating contingency planning with intent.
The Non Aggression Principle can be violated by thoughtcrime it seems
__________________
Do, or do not. There is no try.

Your rep message is blank because my phone won't let me comment. Assume it says "you're awesome"
  Jaric is offline Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2018, 01:46 PM   #56
Baron Samedi
Russian Bot 762X54R
 
Baron Samedi's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Framingham
Posts: 23,492
Posting Frequency


Casino cash: $379675
My Mood


Baron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museum
Baron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museum
Quote:
Originally Posted by O_P_T View Post
From The Hill article.

"U.S. officials have reportedly talked about the potential to conduct a targeted strike against sites in North Korea in a "bloody nose" strategy.

The Wall Street Journal reported that the strategy involves launching a targeted strike at a North Korean facility in response to a nuclear or missile test.

The strike would be an effort to show North Korea the potential consequences of its actions without leading to an all-out war.

Trump administration officials have discussed whether the idea would even be possible, according to the Journal."

Yet again, The Baron is conflating contingency planning with intent.

I certainly hope that the US is trying to figure out if it possible to use military force and not have that escelate into full blown war.

It simply isn't possible to evaluate any set of options if one doesn't do this type of analysis.

After all, it is a historical fact that military force can be used and a general war not break out.

Is that possible in NK?



That's what they are trying to figure out.
Moving from "deflect" to "backpedal".

I never said anything about "intent".

I never said anything except what a dangerous and stupid idea it is.

Aside from that, I posted plenty of links so you could get a broad information base, and you ignored most of it to try and support....whatever it is you're trying to prove.

Two weeks ago, when I posted this, everyone on this board asserted that the story was fake....when they weren't too busy trying to attack me personally, for whatever reason.

Now...two weeks later, it's in the MSM, so you ignore that you were wrong and shift goalposts to argue against an assertion that I never made.

Fantastic! Exactly what I anticipated, and I love it.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaric View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by benhamean View Post
Who is this self-important instigating douche-bag, anyway?
Dude, Baron has been a valued member of this forum for quite some time.
Peace, Prosperity, Liberty, Human Rights, Natural Rights, Civil Rights, Property Rights, Sound Money, Free Markets, Sovereignty, the Constitution, the Republic.

"Regulation puts in place rules that a large company like ours can easily comply with but that small start-ups can't." - Zuckerberg
  Baron Samedi is offline Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2018, 06:58 PM   #57
O_P_T
Why Be Normal
 
O_P_T's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Windsor, CT
Posts: 20,272
Posting Frequency


Casino cash: $780625
My Mood


O_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousy
O_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron Samedi View Post
Moving from "deflect" to "backpedal".

I never said anything about "intent".
Of course you did, in your OP.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron Samedi View Post
I don't even know where to begin....I realize that bombing and invading other countries is very popular in America and good for polls, but one of these days, we're going to take a big bite of a shit sandwich, and this looks like a really big, fat, juicy shit sandwich to me..

I really had hopes that Trump would be an anti-war president. I guess there is no such thing any more.
You clearly are saying that there will be war. Not that the US is simply reviewing contingency plans, but that we will be at war. That speaks to intent.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron Samedi View Post
Two weeks ago, when I posted this, everyone on this board asserted that the story was fake....when they weren't too busy trying to attack me personally, for whatever reason.

Now...two weeks later, it's in the MSM, so you ignore that you were wrong and shift goalposts to argue against an assertion that I never made.

Fantastic! Exactly what I anticipated, and I love it.
Bullshit.

look at my first post in response.

Quote:
Originally Posted by O_P_T View Post

~snip~

Now all of a sudden, we are going to war.

Why?

Because contingency plans are being developed.

Baron, this schtick is getting old.

You do realize the US has contingency plans for just about anything one could envision?

That's because one does not want to have to figure shit as they go along in a time of crisis.

It's better to have figured out shit ahead of time, and to have options for any possible scenario.

Should the US have war plans for NK?

Of course they should.

If the airborne fecal matter impinges the rotating airfoil, then the POTUS will ask the military what his/her options are and they better have an answer.

That answer will include risks/probabilites/outcomes so the POTUS can make an informed choice.

The fact that the military is developing or updating a plan says absolutely nothing about the probability that said plan will be implemented.

If nothing else, the recent ballistic missile test by the NK's would justify a reassessment of any and all plans. If the NK's could launch an ICBM against the CONUS, that would be a significant change in the dynamics of any previous war plans.

If we hadn't reviewed our war plans after that test, that would be a grievous error on our part.
ALL of these stories are saying the exact same thing.

The US is considering options and trying to determine what would happen if any given choice is implemented.

In other words, reviewing contingency plans.

Did I dispute that these plans were being reviewed?

No, not at all. In fact I stated explicitly that a failure to review said plans would be a dereliction of duty on the part of the appropriate officials/officers.

What I disagreed with was the significance of this review.

You are saying that this says anything about the probability of war occurring.

That's just plain wrong.

Look at it this way. BB stresses situational football, right? We all understand that he goes over any and all possible situation with his players, so if it comes up in a game, they know what to do.

Does that have any influence on the probability of any of those situations occurring?

Of course not.

This is the same thing.

The fact that the US is considering all the possible situations that could happen vis a vis is just like BB considering the possible situations in a game.

If we don't do this, then we could end up like Pittsburgh and not have a fricken clue what to do should a situation present itself.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather the US government be like BB than Mike Tomlin.

Here endeth the lesson.
__________________
I AM PATRIOTS

"Some day I want to see them raise up on their piss-soaked hind legs and howl, "Jesus Christ, it's the Goddamned Patriots again and that son-of-a-f*cking-bitch Belichick".
Paraphrasing George S. Patton
  O_P_T is offline Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2018, 07:08 PM   #58
Jaric
Vae victis
 
Jaric's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Dagobah grow house
Posts: 50,266
Posting Frequency


Casino cash: $931837
My Mood


Jaric is a splendid one to beholdJaric is a splendid one to beholdJaric is a splendid one to beholdJaric is a splendid one to behold
Jaric is a splendid one to behold
I'm about two thirds sure Baron is just trolling OPT at this point.
__________________
Do, or do not. There is no try.

Your rep message is blank because my phone won't let me comment. Assume it says "you're awesome"
  Jaric is offline Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2018, 08:12 PM   #59
Baron Samedi
Russian Bot 762X54R
 
Baron Samedi's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Framingham
Posts: 23,492
Posting Frequency


Casino cash: $379675
My Mood


Baron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museum
Baron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museumBaron Samedi should have their sex organs bronzed for posterity and put in a museum
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron Samedi View Post
Trump officials debate targeted N. Korea strike in ‘bloody nose’ strategy: report

http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...-against-north

The Trump administration’s North Korea plan pretty much starts a war
Trump’s national security adviser is advocating a “bloody nose” strategy — one that hopes they don’t strike back


https://www.salon.com/2018/01/09/the...-starts-a-war/

Trump administration debating whether they can bomb North Korea without North Korea striking back

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...-striking-back

Trump team leaks insane plan to attack North Korea to make Trump look tough

https://shareblue.com/trump-team-lea...mp-look-tough/

Trump White House Can’t Agree on Whether to Strike North Korean Facility

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-whi...104004375.html

Progress Between North and South Korea Marred by Reports of Trump Considering "Bloody Nose" Bombings

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...ng-bloody-nose

Tillerson and Mattis are reportedly trying to hold Trump back from striking North Korea

http://www.businessinsider.com/tille...-strike-2018-1
Let me get this straight, you guys read these stories and headlines as a "contingency plan"?



"Contingency plan" is not correctly applied to pre-emptive or first strikes, by the way, but that's besides the point. "Contingency plans" are "Plan B", not "Plan A". It's not important, just sayin.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaric View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by benhamean View Post
Who is this self-important instigating douche-bag, anyway?
Dude, Baron has been a valued member of this forum for quite some time.
Peace, Prosperity, Liberty, Human Rights, Natural Rights, Civil Rights, Property Rights, Sound Money, Free Markets, Sovereignty, the Constitution, the Republic.

"Regulation puts in place rules that a large company like ours can easily comply with but that small start-ups can't." - Zuckerberg
  Baron Samedi is offline Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2018, 09:47 PM   #60
O_P_T
Why Be Normal
 
O_P_T's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Windsor, CT
Posts: 20,272
Posting Frequency


Casino cash: $780625
My Mood


O_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousy
O_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousyO_P_T makes Greek statues weep in jealousy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron Samedi View Post
Let me get this straight, you guys read these stories and headlines as a "contingency plan"?







"Contingency plan" is not correctly applied to pre-emptive or first strikes, by the way, but that's besides the point. "Contingency plans" are "Plan B", not "Plan A". It's not important, just sayin.


You might just want to buy a dictionary, and read it, because I don't think anyone here agrees with what you think words mean.

Regardless, of course contingency plans can apply to "Plan A", or to "First Strikes".

BY DEFINITION, "contingency plans", are contingent on certain circumstances occurring.

Said plans may have multiple options. Said plans will include estimates of probabilities of "success" and "failure" as well as trying to define what those mean, as well as the "cost".

As I said before, one should have this worked out ahead of time so the POTUS and the various other leaders, can make an informed decision as to what choice they should make.

Don't you realize that the best argument against something that would lead to war is a detailed plan that shows just how likely action A is to result in war, and that it will cost X?

Do you really think that the Pentagon saying "We don't know what could happen and what it would cost" is more of a deterrent?

If yes, then you are a fool.

BTW, you don't think there's any possibility for a "First Strike" contingency plan?

Consider the following hypothetical.

Islamic Radicals overthrow the Pakistani government and seize control of their nuclear weapons. They threaten to give them to ISIS/al Qaeda/etc.

The POTUS asks what options do we have to neutralize those weapons before they are given to terrorists?

Are you suggesting that the answer be: "We don't have any options, because we couldn't possibly have developed any contingency plans because by definition they exclude 'First Strike' options."

I would argue such an answer would get one fired.

I would also say, as I have said throughout this discussion, that asking what are the options doesn't mean one is going to implement them.

Think of it as the game plan for football.

Recall that BB instructed McDaniels to have additional 2 point conversion plays ready before the game.

Did that mean BB intended to use them before the game started?

No.

What if McD had only one 2 point play in the game plan?

We would have had to come up with something on the fly, like Pittsburgh did against us.
__________________
I AM PATRIOTS

"Some day I want to see them raise up on their piss-soaked hind legs and howl, "Jesus Christ, it's the Goddamned Patriots again and that son-of-a-f*cking-bitch Belichick".
Paraphrasing George S. Patton
  O_P_T is offline Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Template-Modifications by TMS
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners. Patriots Planet is not affiliated with the NFL or with the New England Patriots. The views and opinions on this forum do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the owners and/or operators of this forum and website.