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Old 01-04-2019, 06:17 PM   #166
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Hah! Probably a bad example to pull out of my ass.

I think the bigger problem though, is that more and more of us don't seem to be finding any kind of meaning in the work we do. That might not sound important, but it's no trivial thing. Anyone who has ever worked a job they hate can tell you it will fuck up your whole life if you do it for too long.

Unfortunately, I have no idea how to even begin to address that problem.
It isn't trivial at all. I don't know you how would do something you didn't like.
I think everyone at one point, usually at a young age, works at something they hate. It's when it extends to a lifetime that it gets to be an issue.
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:47 PM   #167
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Hah! Probably a bad example to pull out of my ass.

I think the bigger problem though, is that more and more of us don't seem to be finding any kind of meaning in the work we do. That might not sound important, but it's no trivial thing. Anyone who has ever worked a job they hate can tell you it will fuck up your whole life if you do it for too long.

Unfortunately, I have no idea how to even begin to address that problem.
I think you're on to something, but not seeing the root cause.

People used to commute 15 minutes to work, work 9 to 5, and then had a life outside of that.

Now they commute an hour, work 8 to 5, and then respond to emails or work from home nights and weekends. Work now dominates American lives in a way that never could be imagined until the 21st century. Everybody is on the clock all the time. Probably, if you really analyzed hours spent on work to wages, Americans may actually be getting paid less per hour than ever. The 40 hour work week is theoretical only. Even if you're not actually doing work, you still have to constantly check your texts, and your emails, and your voice mails to see if it is work...so you never really get any mental time off to engage in other things, like family, or recreation.

So, my guess, is that people are actually conflating a lack of meaning and value in life with meaning and value in their work. By the time they are done at the office, and eating dinner, and checking texts, and emails, and voice messages...there is no time left for anything else except mental exhaustion.

People's work is their lives now. There is no time or energy left for other pursuits...family, hobbies like painting or camping or collecting.

Prior generations all had hobbies, or collections, or other pursuits of love outside of work. Now....it's just work and social media, and no room left for anything else. What little free time they have left is consumed by video games or social media addiction.

So, I agree with what you say, but have a different take.
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Old 01-05-2019, 09:19 AM   #168
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I think you're on to something, but not seeing the root cause.

People used to commute 15 minutes to work, work 9 to 5, and then had a life outside of that.

Now they commute an hour, work 8 to 5, and then respond to emails or work from home nights and weekends. Work now dominates American lives in a way that never could be imagined until the 21st century. Everybody is on the clock all the time. Probably, if you really analyzed hours spent on work to wages, Americans may actually be getting paid less per hour than ever. The 40 hour work week is theoretical only. Even if you're not actually doing work, you still have to constantly check your texts, and your emails, and your voice mails to see if it is work...so you never really get any mental time off to engage in other things, like family, or recreation.

So, my guess, is that people are actually conflating a lack of meaning and value in life with meaning and value in their work. By the time they are done at the office, and eating dinner, and checking texts, and emails, and voice messages...there is no time left for anything else except mental exhaustion.

People's work is their lives now. There is no time or energy left for other pursuits...family, hobbies like painting or camping or collecting.

Prior generations all had hobbies, or collections, or other pursuits of love outside of work. Now....it's just work and social media, and no room left for anything else. What little free time they have left is consumed by video games or social media addiction.

So, I agree with what you say, but have a different take.
Great Point on how work dominates our lives. I happen to really like my work situation, but I'm still constantly checking email 7x24 and have to be "on guard" (so to speak) should a major issue arise (I'm in IT), so I don't ever truly feel like I'm "off work"

if I did not like my situation (of course I'd try to change it) that'd make a big difference, but I would still like to have more time to feel "disconnected" from work then I am now.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:22 PM   #169
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Probably true on average, but it doesn't always have to be that way.

The fact that mass consumption and consumer debt levels are what they are, most people don't put themselves in positions where they can say no to work situations they don't like. Financial independence is seriously underrated.
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Hah! Probably a bad example to pull out of my ass.

I think the bigger problem though, is that more and more of us don't seem to be finding any kind of meaning in the work we do. That might not sound important, but it's no trivial thing. Anyone who has ever worked a job they hate can tell you it will fuck up your whole life if you do it for too long.

Unfortunately, I have no idea how to even begin to address that problem.
I feel ya. We are all fed the same trope from an early age. "Follow your dreams or passions" and "You can do or be anything you put your mind to" or the classic "do what you love for a living and you never work a day in your life". All wonderful sentiments, but wholly unrealistic for most.

I like Mike Rowe's thoughts (I think it's been posted here before) on the subject (don't pursue passion, pursue opportunity and bring passion along for the ride) as it kind of mirrors how I spent my career to this point. I also over the years have learned to live a much simpler life and have learned to discern the difference between wants and needs, which can offer emotional, psychological and financial peace of mind.

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I feel ya. We are all fed the same trope from an early age. "Follow your dreams or passions" and "You can do or be anything you put your mind to" or the classic "do what you love for a living and you never work a day in your life". All wonderful sentiments, but wholly unrealistic for most.

I like Mike Rowe's thoughts (I think it's been posted here before) on the subject (don't pursue passion, pursue opportunity and bring passion along for the ride) as it kind of mirrors how I spent my career to this point. I also over the years have learned to live a much simpler life and have learned to discern the difference between wants and needs, which can offer emotional, psychological and financial peace of mind.

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China is trying to stabilize it's own currency, which by the way they have manipulated relentlessly to gain competitive unfair advantage in global trade.

They have been reducing their position in treasuries for some time now. Not a new development.

You have to go back to the early 2000's to appreciate the context of the Chinese and their games. American companies ran, not walked, manufacturing jobs over there... because China made sure they could compete on a non-level playing field. Millions of people lost their jobs because of it. This is actually one of the major reasons Trump won and why he's intent on bringing those jobs back. The irony is that going after China is Trump retaliating against the economic issue that got him elected in the first place. He's late doing it but it had to be done. He's not wrong.
All of this hand wringing and finger pointing at Trump is so short sighted. The seeds of this issue were planted years ago and have nothing to do with him. He's just trying to reverse it, and the fact that the D's are good with it should tell you something.
Like I said, this was years in the making, and it's going be years in the fixing.

There's a lot of manufacturing leaving China now, and that's a very good thing.
If the goal was to hurt China, tarrifs on other countries should be removed asap. The country that is in "war" with the most countries loses the most. Right now thats not China.

Tarrifs bring back jobs and and things become more expensive(because China was cheaper). So those who had jobs will now have "less" money. Socialism applauds this.
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