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Old 10-19-2019, 03:29 PM   #151
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Old 10-19-2019, 10:47 PM   #152
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His problem was playcalling..? With 5-10 people chatting the subject on a pats board. Anything critical is gonna be a minority.. but if you don't get into the mental aspects of football and the chess game , you're missing out.

If you hear Belichick he dismisses the subject like the famous 2005 comment " the plays will get called" when asked who the OC was. Another quote is .. " it's not the plays it's the players".
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These 2 quotes are what shapes McDaniels thinking and how he approaches the job. In a way it is ironic since it means he is not responsible for bad results but at the same time makes his job less relevant. More like a messenger than a strategist. Haha.

So that probably creates a conflict for his ego as he gets some recognition as the OC but he knows it's just execution of a game plan decided by committee. This is also likely why game plans seem to languish ( buffalo game ,etc.) in mediocrity or worse .. since the committee effect doesn't shift well. IMO.
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These 2 quotes are what shapes McDaniels thinking and how he approaches the job. In a way it is ironic since it means he is not responsible for bad results but at the same time makes his job less relevant. More like a messenger than a strategist. Haha.

So that probably creates a conflict for his ego as he gets some recognition as the OC but he knows it's just execution of a game plan decided by committee. This is also likely why game plans seem to languish ( buffalo game ,etc.) in mediocrity or worse .. since the committee effect doesn't shift well. IMO.


Talent is always the deciding factor. I don't care if you have the perfect play call if you don't execute it correctly its a failure
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Old 10-20-2019, 12:33 AM   #154
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Talent is always the deciding factor. I don't care if you have the perfect play call if you don't execute it correctly its a failure
Agree.. but that does not dismiss the other fact that that same play can be squashed by a perfect defense regardless of talent. So the successful play sequencing and attack strategy comes into play. You can't get away from it. So within the framework of a talented team the plays do matter.IMO
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These 2 quotes are what shapes McDaniels thinking and how he approaches the job. In a way it is ironic since it means he is not responsible for bad results but at the same time makes his job less relevant. More like a messenger than a strategist. Haha.

So that probably creates a conflict for his ego as he gets some recognition as the OC but he knows it's just execution of a game plan decided by committee. This is also likely why game plans seem to languish ( buffalo game ,etc.) in mediocrity or worse .. since the committee effect doesn't shift well. IMO.
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Agree.. but that does not dismiss the other fact that that same play can be squashed by a perfect defense regardless of talent. So the successful play sequencing and attack strategy comes into play. You can't get away from it. So within the framework of a talented team the plays do matter.IMO
the flip side is the perfect play call not executed properly looks like garbage on the field. you need to know the play call before you can make ANY conclusions on whether the OC made the right call or not. Did the offense execute the play called or not. Did they execute the call properly. was the perfect defense called for that play. by watching on tv nobody has any idea what the plan was, and with the Pats will likely never know. It is nice to sit back and judge each play with replay and a beer in your hand. The only thing the observer has to lose is ego (maybe money if gambling). I don't play ff anymore. I found it too easy to fire players when it meant nothing to me personally.
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the flip side is the perfect play call not executed properly looks like garbage on the field. you need to know the play call before you can make ANY conclusions on whether the OC made the right call or not. Did the offense execute the play called or not. Did they execute the call properly. was the perfect defense called for that play. by watching on tv nobody has any idea what the plan was, and with the Pats will likely never know. It is nice to sit back and judge each play with replay and a beer in your hand. The only thing the observer has to lose is ego (maybe money if gambling). I don't play ff anymore. I found it too easy to fire players when it meant nothing to me personally.
Sorta, but what can you see..? Run/pass , play design, formation, personnel, who is targeted, etc. A lot. And then success/fail. So if it looks like a boring vanilla, stale, predictable botch fest... Then its a fair criticism to look at the scheme and expect improvements. So overall its a combination of that and what you're talking about.
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Sorta, but what can you see..? Run/pass , play design, formation, personnel, who is targeted, etc. A lot. And then success/fail. So if it looks like a boring vanilla, stale, predictable botch fest... Then its a fair criticism to look at the scheme and expect improvements. So overall its a combination of that and what you're talking about.
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the flip side is the perfect play call not executed properly looks like garbage on the field. you need to know the play call before you can make ANY conclusions on whether the OC made the right call or not. Did the offense execute the play called or not. Did they execute the call properly. was the perfect defense called for that play.*by watching on tv nobody has any idea what the plan was, and with the Pats will likely never know. It is nice to sit back and judge each play with replay and a beer in your hand. The only thing the observer has to lose is ego (maybe money if gambling). I don't play ff anymore. I found it too easy to fire players when it meant nothing to me personally.



Sorta, but what can you see..? Run/pass , play design, formation, personnel, who is targeted, etc. A lot. And then success/fail. So if it looks like a boring vanilla, stale, predictable botch fest... Then its a fair criticism to look at the scheme and expect improvements. So overall its a combination of that and what you're talking about.
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DINK and dunk is back in style. Good to have Myers and Watson making plays but the Edelman addiction is troubling. Too many forced balls , kinda reminiscent of Brady lock on Welker. Hope that goes away.
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