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Old 01-19-2018, 11:23 AM   #151
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I don't think what a coach's experience as a position coach, coordinator, or what he was in NCAA has any bearing on how good a HC he'd make. I do know that there are a crapload of coordinators who became HCs and sucked at the job. Most of them in fact.

I think the problem is that other than the intangibles, the skill set of being a successful position coach don't provide much of an indicator of whether a position coach will make a good coordinator, and there certainly are no duties of a coordinator that will predict success as a HC or the failure rate wouldn't be so high.
Iíll disagree.

Itís why you see the progression 99% of the time.

As a position coach youíre only in charge of 1 specific grouping. In Flores case itís LBs.

Nobody has a clue what his experience or management skills are like wrt DL or Secondary.

Then the entire other side of the ball, Offense?

And STs?

Itís as massive a jump as you can make. The only starting step lower would be position coach in college.
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Old 01-19-2018, 11:51 AM   #152
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A position coach with no coordinator experience going to HC in the pros?

No wonder this league is in shambles at different outposts.

I’d be trying like hell to trade our ‘18 1st for AZ ‘19 1st.
A good word from BB does wonders.
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Iíll disagree.

Itís why you see the progression 99% of the time.

As a position coach youíre only in charge of 1 specific grouping. In Flores case itís LBs.

Nobody has a clue what his experience or management skills are like wrt DL or Secondary.

Then the entire other side of the ball, Offense?

And STs?

Itís as massive a jump as you can make. The only starting step lower would be position coach in college.
Josh started on Defense, Patricia started on Offense.

Both coached a various position and Broke down film.

One thing Bill is said to do it Push his guys into learning the next step as they do their current task.
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Old 01-19-2018, 01:33 PM   #154
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A good word from BB does wonders.
If heís the guy in AZ we can have a little wager on how that org fairs over the next 32 games.
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If heís the guy in AZ we can have a little wager on how that org fairs over the next 32 games.
Do we get them drafting a legitimate QB? Palmer's retired, and I'm not really feeling Drew Stanton as a long-term answer.
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Do we get them drafting a legitimate QB? Palmer's retired, and I'm not really feeling Drew Stanton as a long-term answer.
Youíd have to see what Flores decides.

For all I know he likes a combo QB/K.
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Youíd have to see what Flores decides.

For all I know he likes a combo QB/K.
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I’ll disagree.

It’s why you see the progression 99% of the time.
I agree that most head coaches come by way of being a coordinator, and it's certainly the "safe" way to avoid later criticism when it turns out your new head coach doesn't have the skills to success in spite of being a former successful coordinator. I just don't think coordinator success is a good indicator of head coach success and I'm pretty sure that data doesn't support 99% of good coordinators making good head coaches.

IMO it's more about the intangibles of a coordinator of position coach and how they might translate to to being a head coach and less about demonstrable success at a former position.

It's the easy "common sense" way out, just like going with an athletic strong-armed QB in the draft rather than trying to figure out if the guy can read NFL defenses. Unfortunately, the number of UDFAs playing in the NFL and the number of first round busts show that the common sense method isn't all it's cracked up to be.
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Did you see this? I didn't but apparently the NFL accidentally aired this.

I've seen it about 10 to 20 times...

Subliminal. Or else, they know the outcome already.
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I agree that most head coaches come by way of being a coordinator, and it's certainly the "safe" way to avoid later criticism when it turns out your new head coach doesn't have the skills to success in spite of being a former successful coordinator. I just don't think coordinator success is a good indicator of head coach success and I'm pretty sure that data doesn't support 99% of good coordinators making good head coaches.

IMO it's more about the intangibles of a coordinator of position coach and how they might translate to to being a head coach and less about demonstrable success at a former position.

It's the easy "common sense" way out, just like going with an athletic strong-armed QB in the draft rather than trying to figure out if the guy can read NFL defenses. Unfortunately, the number of UDFAs playing in the NFL and the number of first round busts show that the common sense method isn't all it's cracked up to be.
Itís just a general rationalization agreed.

But name me 1 positional coach to HC success.

Vs the number of coordinators.
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It’s just a general rationalization agreed.

But name me 1 positional coach to HC success.

Vs the number of coordinators.
Andy Reid.

He was QB coach for the Packers before being hired as HC of the Eagles. He was never an offensive or defensive coordinator.

He has a career wining percentage above .600, and is 11th all-time in total wins.

If he coaches for six more years (until age 65), and maintains the same winning percentage, he'll in the vicinity of 240 regular season wins.

Right now, Belichick is at 250.

With one more playoff game, he'll move into sole possession of 4th place on the number of playoff games coached (right now he's tied with Chuck Noll, Joe Gibbs and Mike Holmgren at 24).






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Andy Reid.

He was QB coach for the Packers before being hired as HC of the Eagles. He was never an offensive or defensive coordinator.

He has a career wining percentage above .600, and is 11th all-time in total wins.


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