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Old 02-21-2017, 12:13 PM   #106
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This guy Milo I had never heard of before this thread and the Berkeley riots.
He's a fringe lunatic and he's more well known on account of people complaining about him than for anything meaningful. If people would just ignore him he'd be gone already which I hope is soon.

He's Bannon's successor as the Editor in Chief of Brietbart, though. I suspect he'll be losing that gig soon too in favor of someone who can stick to Zionist conspiracies and holocaust denial, but who has straight sex with white people in the missionary position.
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Probably has something to do with the accusation (Milo is teh pedooooooo!!!) being completely at odds with what he's talking about (the age of consent for teenagers).

But I get it, we don't like Milo so we're not even going to bother figuring out if he actually believes what he's being accused of. Just grab those pitchforks and cry "Team Democrat!!!

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Yay for smears against people we disagree with! That will totally never be used against us at some point!
Actually, I agree with Milo on many topics and I think he is useful to the right. I don't mind him (usually). That said, he is over the top in many ways that are cringe worthy. I imagine I see him somewhat the same way that the left sees Lena Dunham.

With regard to this topic, he has really ****ed up and done himself (and the right) a major disservice. It isn't what he MEANT to convey. It is what he DID convey. Should he be given a pass and be allowed to say "oops!, I didn't mean it that way"? Maybe, but to be so unaware of what he was saying is scary to me.

It is no where close to "cigars and interns" scary but still...
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Actually, I agree with Milo on many topics and I think he is useful to the right. I don't mind him (usually). That said, he is over the top in many ways that are cringe worthy. I imagine I see him somewhat the same way that the left sees Lena Dunham.

With regard to this topic, he has really ****ed up and done himself (and the right) a major disservice. It isn't what he MEANT to convey. It is what he DID convey. Should he be given a pass and be allowed to say "oops!, I didn't mean it that way"? Maybe, but to be so unaware of what he was saying is scary to me.

It is no where close to "cigars and interns" scary but still...
As far as I can tell, the only issue I agree with him completely on is free speech. A few other points here and there I can get on board with but mostly free speech advocacy is what I associate with Milo.

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Old 02-21-2017, 12:24 PM   #109
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He's Bannon's successor as the Editor in Chief of Brietbart, though. I suspect he'll be losing that gig soon too in favor of someone who can stick to Zionist conspiracies and holocaust denial, but who has straight sex with white people in the missionary position.
Prove that.
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He's Bannon's successor as the Editor in Chief of Brietbart, though. I suspect he'll be losing that gig soon too in favor of someone who can stick to Zionist conspiracies and holocaust denial, but who has straight sex with white people in the missionary position.
Are you basing that accusation on the White House statement on Holocaust remembrance day or something else? All I've been able to find so far is the anger over including the other victims of concentration camps in the statement.
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LOL i read that he might be fired today.
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And his book will not be published.

Those tables sure flipped in a hurry.
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Milo should expand his vocabulary to avoid being misunderstood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebephilia


Also, how does one justify the use of one's own victim-hood while mocking others' right to express themselves through the prism of their own?
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If you really want to be scarred emotionally, google "Carrol Dunham art.". That's her father, and after 30 seconds of viewing his paintings everything gross about Lena Dunham makes way more sense.
I really wish I hadn't. I mean,
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And his book will not be published.

Those tables sure flipped in a hurry.
This is how things should work, through the market not through govt. intervention/censorship.
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I really wish I hadn't. I mean,
It's the kind of artwork that cries out "I need therapy!"

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And his book will not be published.

Those tables sure flipped in a hurry.
I believe it was number one Amazon presales, I'd be shocked if someone else doesn't publish it. Way too much money to be made.
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Old 02-21-2017, 02:09 PM   #117
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If I could magically change one thing in American Politics at this moment it time it would be that each side would focus on the policies of the other, not their own supposition about the intent of the other side.

We've managed some really good discussions about policies and even philosophies in here, but once you get into intent, it gets all stupid time.

Start with "the person I am debating is neither stupid not evil"

If you start with this presumption, you can have a debate about policy. If you start with "you are a moron" or "you are in league with Satan" there really is no point to even trying to discuss it.
Outstanding!

Sadly, I would even go so far as to say that American politics isn't just "personal", the vast majority of Americans are not even aware of policy, except in the most general, bumper sticker style comprehension.

I don't think it is any accident, though, I think that the "Alinsky's Rules for Radicals" philosophy has essentially transformed American politics forever....at least for the foreseeable future.

Politics today is a weapon of propaganda, filled with slogans and tropes that can be easily hurled at one another. Even our legislation that we debate about is rarely about the legislation. Politicians tailor the name of the legislation to promote and provoke...and it is seldom necessary nor desired to have the title accurately represent the content, and the American media and public will spend countless hours debating it, over days, weeks, maybe even months...thousands of intellectual man hours...and at the end of it all, noone has any knowledge of what the legislation contains in reality, and if they did, the vast majority are too intellectually ignorant or lazy to understand it, so they just take whatever is handed to them by propagandists and run with it.

Welcome to the 21st Century.

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And his book will not be published.

Those tables sure flipped in a hurry.
Fat chance of that.

In fact...if I'm Milo...I go ahead and self publish and make even more moeny, he doesn't need the advertising services of a publisher any more.
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Well, Ann Coulter (aka Milo with a larger Adam's apple) has weighed in with her usual incisiveness.

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http://www.truth-out.org/speakout/it...out-your-ideas

For those who aren't familiar with Milo Yiannopoulos, allow me to brighten up your day. Yiannopoulos is an "alternative right" (or "alt-right") provocateur who hates feminism and the Black Lives Matter movement, and is currently embarked on his "Dangerous F*ggot Tour" across college campuses. (Yiannopoulos is openly gay, a freedom hard-won by progressive activists.) His rhetorical strategy is to use hyperbolic language and outrageous insults -- usually playing on gender and racial stereotypes -- to inflame the emotions of "regressive leftists" who have boisterously protested his talks, interrupted him while speaking and even caused some of his events to be cancelled. What many First Amendment enthusiasts like about Yiannopoulos is that he pushes against what some characterize as an "authoritarian" trend on college campuses to regulate ideas and words that others find either offensive or triggering. To be sure, Yiannopoulos' tactics are crude, but as he puts it, "The only proper response to outrage culture is to be outrageous."

First, it needs to be pointed out how funny this situation is. Yiannopoulos suggests that the "social justice warriors" that keep interrupting him are childish. But the fact is that he's a professional troll -- or "supervillain," to use his word -- who provokes people on purpose (as he's admitted) in order to get more attention directed his way (as he's also admitted). He enjoys teasing people and then lavishing in the chaos that ensues. But let's be honest with ourselves: What is more childish than trolling? What's more puerile than intentionally pushing people's buttons rather than engaging in hyperbole-free civil discourse about the ideas themselves? Yiannopoulos is an emotionally-charged agitator whose entire project is no more charming or original than schoolyard bullying.

And second, the target of his antagonism is "outrage culture," or the phenomenon of progressives being offended by even the smallest microaggressions. But again, let's be honest: Where is there more outrage today than on the political right? The Fox News fear machine and, more generally, the incessant apocalypticism of right-wing media like Breitbart are fundamentally rooted in outrage over things like Black people demanding better treatment from police, women insisting that "sexual assault" should include groping (which Yiannopoulos considers to be an act of normal human sexuality) and, perhaps most seriously, a Kenyan-born secret Muslim socialist president who hates the United States and wants to take away everyone's guns. The reality is that outrage culture is not primarily a left-wing problem, it's a mainstream conservative problem. Can we at least get this right?

Nonetheless, the end of protecting free speech on campuses justifies, in some people's eyes, Yiannopoulos' morally dubious means of deliberate button-pushing. But does Yiannopoulos really believe in unbridled free speech? Is his tour of college campuses really about standing up for our First Amendment rights? The answer is an unambiguous No. Yiannopoulos actually supports significant -- indeed, potentially catastrophic -- restrictions on free speech in the US. How? By explicitly endorsing and defending Donald Trump's free speech-curtailing proposal to expand libel laws so that Big Government can sue news outlets if they run stories that Trump finds distasteful.

"There's no reason why the First Amendment should insulate you from the consequences of your actions," Yiannopoulos said on "The Rubin Report," "if you go out and deliberately, mendaciously, knowingly lie about people." He emphasizes that such lies must be done "knowingly," but the problem here is what exactly this word amounts to in the messy real-world -- and indeed, what Trump would count as "knowingly." Even more, Yiannopoulos gets the facts wrong: Trump's proposal actually includes "purposely negative" and "horrible" articles as well. In other words, if a news website publishes an article that Trump determines to be "purposely negative" or "horrible," Big Government could sue that website "like you've never been sued before" (in Trump's words). This is why Yiannopoulos' rhetoric about supporting free speech should not be taken seriously: if anything, Yiannopoulos is an enemy of our First Amendment rights. In a phrase, he is not the advocate of unrestricted free speech that some believe him to be.

But the problems with Yiannopoulos' worldview go far deeper than this egregious bit of chicanery. Yiannopoulos embodies anti-intellectualism. This refers to the phenomenon, mostly concentrated among the political right, whereby people fail to be genuinely curious about other points-of-view, to engage in rational debate without the obfuscating effects of hyperbole, and to make sure that one's beliefs are always the destinations of an ongoing intellectual journey and never the points-of-departure. (To illustrate, science begins with doubt and then arrives at beliefs, whereas religion begins with beliefs that can never be revised.) While Yiannopoulos often emphasizes the importance of facts and argumentation, a careful (or even cursory) look at his work reveals an abundance of sloppy logic, factual errors and un-cited assertions.



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What if every time I was pissed with something Obama did, I used personal insults about his appearance for 0 reason? Would that be cool?
I'm guessing, no.
It's on par with opposing fans crying about TB being gay because they hate him.
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