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Old 02-20-2017, 08:11 PM   #76
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I'm willing to admit that like with any issue, there's fine points to this. If one of those hottie teachers that has gotten arrested for student sex had been with me when I was 15, I probably wouldn't have found it such a negative thing. When a 17 year old gets put on sex offender registries because they had a consensual girlfriend that they go to high school with who is 14, it's crazy and counterproductive. If you make the guy a few years older, when they have a consensual relationship, it's not unreasonable to question whether that's really a sexual offense.

But, again, Milo clearly stated that he didn't have a problem with a 13 year old getting it on with a 28 year old. I posted the video on the previous page. He's a shock jock who says crazy $hit that he doesn't necessarily even mean and I don't really care. But, if Bill Clinton or Jesse Jackson or someone else on the left made the EXACT SAME statement that Milo did, none of you people that are trying to defend it and paint the shades of gray would be doing that AT ALL.

Everyone just goes to bat for the people they see as being on "their team". It's not much different than what goes on on the main board during football season.
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I'm willing to admit that like with any issue, there's fine points to this. If one of those hottie teachers that has gotten arrested for student sex had been with me when I was 15, I probably wouldn't have found it such a negative thing. When a 17 year old gets put on sex offender registries because they had a consensual girlfriend that they go to high school with who is 14, it's crazy and counterproductive. If you make the guy a few years older, when they have a consensual relationship, it's not unreasonable to question whether that's really a sexual offense.

But, again, Milo clearly stated that he didn't have a problem with a 13 year old getting it on with a 28 year old. I posted the video on the previous page. He's a shock jock who says crazy $hit that he doesn't necessarily even mean and I don't really care.

But, if Bill Clinton or Jesse Jackson or someone else on the left made the EXACT SAME statement that Milo did, none of you people that are trying to defend it and paint the shades of gray would be doing that AT ALL.

Everyone just goes to bat for the people they see as being on "their team". It's not much different than what goes on on the main board during football season.
Your joking about Bill Clinton right?

So again are you saying a 13 year old doesn't know their gay?

If they don't then how on earth does a 5 year old know they're in the wrong body or 10 year old know they need hormones.

Are you saying a mature 13 year old shouldn't be in charge of their own body? That they can't consent? Cause if they can't consent then they can't get an abortion without parental consent legally.

Are you saying anyone under the age of 13 can't decide which gender they identify with?

To be clear I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing just telling you the legal ramifications



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Old 02-20-2017, 08:47 PM   #78
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Your joking about Bill Clinton right?

So again are you saying a 13 year old doesn't know their gay?

If they don't then how on earth does a 5 year old know they're in the wrong body or 10 year old know they need hormones.

Are you saying a mature 13 year old shouldn't be in charge of their own body? That they can't consent? Cause if they can't consent then they can't get an abortion without parental consent legally.

Are you saying anyone under the age of 13 can't decide which gender they identify with?

To be clear I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing just telling you the legal ramifications



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Why is what I said about Bill Clinton a joke? If he, or Jesse Jackson or Corey Booker or whoever on the left said the exact same thing Milo did, would you be making the posts you are now?

What does a 13 year old knowing that they're gay have to do with it? What about priests that had sex with 13 year olds who were gay? You're o.k. with that? 13 is under the age of consent in every state in the country. Are you saying you think that should be changed?
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Why is what I said about Bill Clinton a joke? If he, or Jesse Jackson or Corey Booker or whoever on the left said the exact same thing Milo did, would you be making the posts you are now?

What does a 13 year old knowing that they're gay have to do with it? What about priests that had sex with 13 year olds who were gay? You're o.k. with that? 13 is under the age of consent in every state in the country. Are you saying you think that should be changed?
Bill Clinton had "sex" with an intern, Milo didn't. Again it is what it is.

Again read what I wrote I'm not agreeing with rape no. Consentual sex is another matter. If a 17 year old has consensual sex with a 13 year old your going to claim the 17 raped them? Are you willing to tie my hands so a 13 year old rape victim or one who had consensual sex has to get parental consent for their abortion because their 13 ? These are the laws. Again be careful what you wish for.

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Bill Clinton had "sex" with an intern, Milo didn't. Again it is what it is.

Again read what I wrote I'm not agreeing with rape no. Consentual sex is another matter. If a 17 year old has consensual sex with a 13 year old your going to claim the 17 raped them? Are you willing to tie my hands so a 13 year old rape victim or one who had consensual sex has to get parental consent for their abortion because their 13 ? These are the laws. Again be careful what you wish for.

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It's not a matter of what I wish for. The age of consent laws already exist. 17 year olds do get prosecuted for being with 14 year olds and I posted within the last couple hours that I think that's outrageous. This kid spent over a year in jail for it and would have been there a lot longer if a higher court didn't overturn his conviction.

http://www.espn.com/sports/news/story?id=1794781


I wasn't talking about Bill Clinton's intern. I don't see how you could infer that from what I posted. Milo is 32. If Bill Clinton made the exact same statement when he was 32 and Governor of Arkansas about 13 year olds getting it on with 28 year olds, you wouldn't be agreeing with it and making the arguments you are. It would be on the hater's resume along with his death squad killings.
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It's not a matter of what I wish for. The age of consent laws already exist. 17 year olds do get prosecuted for being with 14 year olds and I posted within the last couple hours that I think that's outrageous. This kid spent over a year in jail for it and would have been there a lot longer if a higher court didn't overturn his conviction.

http://www.espn.com/sports/news/story?id=1794781


I wasn't talking about Bill Clinton's intern. I don't see how you could infer that from what I posted. Milo is 32. If Bill Clinton made the exact same statement when he was 32 and Governor of Arkansas about 13 year olds getting it on with 28 year olds, you wouldn't be agreeing with it and making the arguments you are. It would be on the hater's resume along with his death squad killings.
Ok so then you have no problem tying my hands.

So you can say something outrageous is as horrible as actually committing the act got it.

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It's not a matter of what I wish for. The age of consent laws already exist. 17 year olds do get prosecuted for being with 14 year olds and I posted within the last couple hours that I think that's outrageous. This kid spent over a year in jail for it and would have been there a lot longer if a higher court didn't overturn his conviction.

http://www.espn.com/sports/news/story?id=1794781


I wasn't talking about Bill Clinton's intern. I don't see how you could infer that from what I posted. Milo is 32. If Bill Clinton made the exact same statement when he was 32 and Governor of Arkansas about 13 year olds getting it on with 28 year olds, you wouldn't be agreeing with it and making the arguments you are. It would be on the hater's resume along with his death squad killings.
The bolded is the point he was trying to make, that it should be/or could be consensual and he's referring to the statuary rape charges. That ones life will be ruined as a result which you an I both agree with him on. My point is all 13, 14, 15, & 16 year olds that have sex by law,"technically", it can never be consensual. So when a young women of 13 comes into my office to be evaluated for emancipation in order to obtain an abortion because her parents would "kill" if she told them. She can't refer to the father nor can she bring him for support, by law I may/would have to report him for child abuse.

We let a five year old determine their transgender, but a 13 year can't determine whether or not they are ready for consensual sex. As for Bill Clinton don't presume what I'd would be doing or not. Now I freely admit that I don't condone consensual sex between a 13 year old and a 28 year old but Im also not naive enough to think that it never happens consensually. As I had mentioned the age of consent is 14 through 18 in Europe 16 in the UK where Milo is from.

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How can you take the word "forcibly" out of the sentence I wrote and repeat it with quote marks, like that word isn't the whole point of what I was saying?

Baron said that a 14 year old boy who consents to sex with a man is different than a 14 year old who was raped by Jerry Sandusky. I pointed out that most of the priests didn't "force" the kids with them into sex. So, if you're going to argue that grey area, then that comes into the discussion.

Actually, I find it fvcking hilarious to see you guys contorting to provide appropriate "context" for 14 on 28 year old relationships. If the exact same quote came from the lips of Jesse Jackson or Anthony Weiner or Bill Clinton you'd be in 100% outraged attack mode.
I'm not defending Milo, I am defending intellectual honesty about what he said.

You can selectively choose comments out of context from anyone about anything to misrepresent the facts.

deec77 presented the full commentary and context.

If you want to discuss what he actually said, great. Nto many people want to discuss your inaccurate version of it.
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The world has been flipped on it's axis (on this issue).

I am with M. Erson on this.

No, 13 year olds can't determine if they are "ready for sex". Is this a joke? They can't drive a car for obvious reasons but they CAN decide if a penis should enter their body? They can understand the ramifications of unprotected sex? They can make decisions about parenthood? Can they be held responsible for these "determinations"?

No, a five year can't decide to change their gender (mentally or physically).

Yes, we conservatives would be excoriating a liberal for making the same statements. I would be leading the charge.

Is Milo being misunderstood? Possibly. More likely he was taking a calculated risk. He made a BAD decision and should b held accountable just as Bill Clinton made hundreds of them and should be in jail because of it. IMO.



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The world has been flipped on it's axis (on this issue).

I am with M. Erson on this.

No, 13 year olds can't determine if they are "ready for sex". Is this a joke? They can't drive a car for obvious reasons but they CAN decide if a penis should enter their body? They can understand the ramifications of unprotected sex? They can make decisions about parenthood? Can they be held responsible for these "determinations"?

No, a five year can't decide to change their gender (mentally or physically).

Yes, we conservatives would be excoriating a liberal for making the same statements. I would be leading the charge.

Is Milo being misunderstood? Possibly. More likely he was taking a calculated risk. He made a BAD decision and should b held accountable just as Bill Clinton made hundreds of them and should be in jail because of it. IMO.



Did I totally misunderstand the last 18 hours of this thread? Maybe I did.

This post is the only one that is really accurate and coherent.+++

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/sho...8&postcount=69

To sum it up, Milo says that A) The law is about right, B) Age of consent is arbitrary and all relationships are unique, C) Not all young-old relationships are damaging and destructive, and D) the Age of Consent is an arbitrary one-size-fits-all regulation that varies greatly from one country to another.

Milo does not say that we should all be ut screwing 5 year olds or anything like that.
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Dave Chappelle weighs in.

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This post is the only one that is really accurate and coherent.+++

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/sho...8&postcount=69

To sum it up, Milo says that A) The law is about right, B) Age of consent is arbitrary and all relationships are unique, C) Not all young-old relationships are damaging and destructive, and D) the Age of Consent is an arbitrary one-size-fits-all regulation that varies greatly from one country to another.

Milo does not say that we should all be ut screwing 5 year olds or anything like that.
I didn't say Milo said that. I am saying only what I wrote in my post. 5 and 13 year olds aren't able to make those decisions. They are too young. They lack the experience and maturity required. Those are MY words.

Regardless of what Milo meant to convey, if it were a liberal that said those words they would be hung. You simply can't speak so wildly and irresponsibly about this topic and not be seen as a fool or potentially sick.


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