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Old 05-17-2017, 12:26 PM   #1
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I wish Obama had pardoned him (her/xe/etc), but a commutation is better than rotting in a cell.

I always found it funny (read appalling) that the guy who set a nuclear submarine on fire because he missed his girlfriend, and endangered an entire region, got 17 years in prison.

But the guy (gal?) who exposed embarrassing and criminal government actions, and was never shown to have endangered anyone, received 35 years.

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I wish Obama had pardoned him, but a commutation is better than rotting in a cell.

I always found it funny (read appalling) that the guy who set a nuclear submarine on fire because he missed his girlfriend, and endangered an entire region, got 17 years in prison.

But the guy (gal?) who exposed embarrassing and criminal government actions, and was never shown to have endangered anyone, received 35 years.
How DARE you misgender Chelsea!

If we were in Canada they'll throw you in a cage you hateful monster!
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If we were in Canada they'll throw you in a cage you hateful monster!
Well I AM a libertarian. We don't give a sh*t about others, doncha know.
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Well I AM a libertarian. We don't give a sh*t about others, doncha know.
I'm still angry with the libertarians. We had a perfect chance to prove we can be a legitimate alternative and wasted it.
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Well I AM a libertarian. We don't give a sh*t about others, doncha know.
You're not going to get naked and stand behind the podium talking about free expression, are you?
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Exhibit A why I'm still mad.
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Sorry, I think that would violate the NAP. So count your blessings.

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And by libertarians you mean Libertarians, right?
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And by libertarians you mean Libertarians, right?
No, I'm pissed at the small l and the big l people. Mostly for fracturing and already small minority even further.

Also, I'm not really into "idealogical purity" which the LP seems ****ing obsessed with.

Personally I think they're just more comfortable bitching from the sidelines instead of actually trying to see their ideas be implemented. After all, if what they're proposing gets implemented and doesn't work, they have to admit they're wrong.

Being on the fringe gives you the benefit of an unearned moral high ground and the LP clearly doesn't want to give that up.

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No, I'm pissed at the small l and the big l people. Mostly for fracturing and already small minority even further.

Also, I'm not really into "idealogical purity" which the LP seems ****ing obsessed with.
Joking aside, ideological purity is the last thing that I see coming from the LP.

For your sake, I hope the LP never nominates an ideologically pure candidate. They haven't come close since Browne.

The top 3 this time around were a a Republican, a hacker, and a libertarian who rejects libertarianism.

I'd also argue that the electorate would appreciate a more consistent libertarian, in the same way that they embraced Ron Paul, but rejected the fence sitting that Rand tried to pull.
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If by Libertarian you mean someone who wants to make government smaller and less intrusive, you'd have an audience.

If you mean an "all taxation is theft, abolish government anarchist" that kind of purity we can do without.
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Joking aside, ideological purity is the last thing that I see coming from the LP.

For your sake, I hope the LP never nominates an ideologically pure candidate. They haven't come close since Browne.

The top 3 this time around were a a Republican, a hacker, and a libertarian who rejects libertarianism.

I'd also argue that the electorate would appreciate a more consistent libertarian, in the same way that they embraced Ron Paul, but rejected the fence sitting that Rand tried to pull.
I was actually referring to the party members not who they nominated. Yes Gary Johnson had deep flaws but 2016 was not the time to get super picky. A tremendous opportunity was in front of them and was completely wasted.
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If by Libertarian you mean someone who wants to make government smaller and less intrusive, you'd have an audience.

If you mean an "all taxation is theft, abolish government anarchist" that kind of purity we can do without.
Completely disagree. Sure, the minarchist is a good intermediate step, but I think we need the radicals to represent the goal. I think the debate needs to be had, and its an incomplete debate otherwise.

But again, I don't think you and jaric have anything to worry about. What, exactly, is the ideological purity being demanded by the LP?

Edit: That said, I don't have any expectations for the political process over the long term. Technology will undermine much of what we imagine that government must provide. And it's the voluntaryists/ancaps/agorists who are on the forefront of that change.
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No government was Karl Marx' goal too, it's not going to work for him either.
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I was actually referring to the party members not who they nominated. Yes Gary Johnson had deep flaws but 2016 was not the time to get super picky. A tremendous opportunity was in front of them and was completely wasted.
I don't think that the opportunity was as great as many think. I DO think it was an opportunity to offer a real alternative, instead of the wishy washy "fiscally conservative, socially liberal (tolerant)" position, trying to pander to both sides.
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