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Old 02-14-2006, 08:15 AM   #76
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...Well on Sunday, I got another visit from a holy roller and I got so pissed I told them that I was in the middle of my weekly Satan study group. I then told them we were discussing human vs. animal sacrifices and that we could use another point of view in the discussion.

Well the look on their faces were priceless and they left very quickly. I watched them as they walked down my driveway, the signaled to the others in the "clan" and they got in their van and left the entire neighborhood.

Now if there is a way I can get rid of the magazine salesman......
Ras, I used to do the same thing you did. I would grab a beer out of the fridge (no matter what time), find a cig if I could (I didn't smoke but family did at the time) and call my dog satan (a protective shar pei). I would open the door, stand there in my boxer briefs holding a beer yelling at the barking dog " satan get to your cage". I was little over 6' 1" weight of 275 with bleached blonde hair in a pony tail (as I called myself - walking birth control - before my back injury I was a big solid guy)

I know this was the wrong thing to do but don't go to a house at 9 am on a saturday and expect a welcome wagon. My friend - a jehovah at the time - was told about my house on a couple of occasions. He quit the church when his parents told him he had to find new friends and they haven't talked to him since - Its been a few years now. His parents followed the catholic to born again catholic movement with my mom and aunt, they were all friends. My mom went back to straight catholic but his went to JW and my aunt went on to become a follower of the latest magazine minister to come to town.

while I believe in the bible, I have a hard time with how the churches all call the other ones wrong, a very spiritual older woman once told me to attend any and every church, learn from them all and make your own decision - if church for you is a ring of stones with a fire out in the woods - god is listening and hearing your prayers just as well as the prayes of others in those buildings with the cross on them

so what I guess I'm saying is it's the same god, we all just comprehend his words a bit differently.
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Old 02-14-2006, 08:52 AM   #77
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so what I guess I'm saying is it's the same god, we all just comprehend his words a bit differently.
That's the general idea. It's all good, well, except for the heathen unbeliever Bid who deserves to be flamed repeatedly. The rest of us are ok though.
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Wow...what a deep discussion.

JH, I just wanted to say I hope you do not get offended by things on the board and quit as you alluded to. You have been a great addition to the board, and your connection with LoLo is unique.
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Kudos to the group for having a religious discussion without tossing hand grenades at one and other. I always suspected it could be done.

Since I'm not a "believer" (not a disbeliever either) I tend to look at religion with something of a biased eye. On the positive side It gives individuals a sense of beloning and community and for many a sense of purpose in life.

On the other hand I've always been troubled by the propensity of every religion to claim a monopoly on "Truth". This reduces the "non-believer" to at best a "poor misguided soul" and at worst the "evil-other". In my opinion more evil his been done in the name of this idea than any other in the history of man.

By definition, faith can't be proven. It is what one believes, and if that's as far as it goes we can all live together and get along. When one chooses to treat his or her belief system as an objective fact, that's where the disagreements, and the trouble start.

Beleive what you will (or won't) and allow others to do the same. Despite what you have heard from some, that is the priniple this country was founded on.
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That's the general idea. It's all good, well, except for the heathen unbeliever Bid who deserves to be flamed repeatedly. The rest of us are ok though.
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And I'll echo what UT said...Hope you stick around, JH.
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Old 02-14-2006, 09:07 AM   #81
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Guess I'll add my .02 to this discussion, since it's the off-season and there's so little to talk about... ;)

I was raised in a Christian church, and switched to a Baptist church in my mid-20s. I believe what the Bible says, and I believe in Heaven and Hell. Also that Jesus is the Son of God, and that belief in Him and acceptance of Him as your personal Saviour is the only way a person will get into Heaven.

It doesn't matter to me what church you go to, or what doctrines you subscribe to, or even if you don't attend church.....

The bottom line is, if you believe in Jesus and accept Him as your personal Saviour, and strive to live by His words, you are a child of God and will be welcomed into Heaven.

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Old 02-14-2006, 09:08 AM   #82
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bid a little less >) and you might not have heated up th eroots and burnt all that hair off, might be time for you to try a little tenderness - I know
you may get weary,
the mods do get weary,
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try a little tenderness





a littel trivia on try a little tenderness once recorded by bing crosby in 1933

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Not only that, but (if the TV news program reports are to be believed) they are often physically and sexually abusive and essentially hold members of their family captive. Sounds more like David Koresh than Brigham Young.

What we were told was wrong with LDS in the church and school I was raised in was that their teachings derive from the Book of Mormon, which Lutherans (and most other denominations) do not recognize as being from God.

But in recent years I have heard scholars talk about how there have been many different versions of the Bible over the years, and how other gospels and books were held out from the Bible altogether due to what religious officials centuries ago felt should and should not be included. So who are we to say what is part of the Bible and what is not?
It was called the council of Nicea TB, arguably the 2nd most important moment in the history of Christianity.
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Guess I'll add my .02 to this discussion, since it's the off-season and there's so little to talk about... ;)

I was raised in a Christian church, and switched to a Baptist church in my mid-20s. I believe what the Bible says, and I believe in Heaven and Hell. Also that Jesus is the Son of God, and that belief in Him and acceptance of Him as your personal Saviour is the only way a person will get into Heaven.

It doesn't matter to me what church you go to, or what doctrines you subscribe to, or even if you don't attend church.....

The bottom line is, if you believe in Jesus and accept Him as your personal Saviour, and strive to live by His words, you are a child of God and will be welcomed into Heaven.

JMO

Do you believe in the possibility of lntelligent life on other planets? If so, do you think that they have ever heard of a person named Jesus from the planet Earth?

Just something to chew on.
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Do you believe in the possibility of lntelligent life on other planets? If so, do you think that they have ever heard of a person named Jesus from the planet Earth?

Just something to chew on.
if they want salvation.

who knows maybe, maybe not - when/if I meet some intelligent life I'll ask them
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I would say a lot of the people in the Church are attractive, because we take care of our bodies.

And there are some crazies in Utah that try to splinter off and make their own version so they can still practice polygamy. We are very against them.
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Do you believe in the possibility of lntelligent life on other planets? If so, do you think that they have ever heard of a person named Jesus from the planet Earth?

Just something to chew on.
Honestly, I don't know.

But I don't recall anything in the Bible stating this possibility.

All I remember is "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth, and the Earth was without form," yada, yada. In the creation story, we read of all the animals, plants, etc., and people, but I believe it says He created them all on the Earth. As for the other planets, I don't recall any mention of life being created there.

Which begs the question... what is their purpose?

That's for greater minds than mine to figure out! :p
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Honestly, I don't know.

But I don't recall anything in the Bible stating this possibility.

All I remember is "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth, and the Earth was without form," yada, yada. In the creation story, we read of all the animals, plants, etc., and people, but I believe it says He created them all on the Earth. As for the other planets, I don't recall any mention of life being created there.

Which begs the question... what is their purpose?

That's for greater minds than mine to figure out! :p

I would take Earth in "heavens and the earth" as land..not specifically the planet Earth.

Of course, there are many who believe that life does not have to be "created" either.
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Seems a little relevant......

One Sunday morning an old cowboy entered a church just before services were to begin. Although the old man and his clothes were spotlessly clean, he wore jeans, a denim shirt and boots that were very worn and ragged. In his hand he carried a worn out old hat and an equally worn out Bible.

The church he entered was in a very upscale and exclusive part of the city. It was the largest and most beautiful church the old cowboy had ever seen. The people of the congregation were all dressed with expensive clothes and accessories.

As the cowboy took a seat, the others moved away from him. No one greeted, spoke to, or welcomed him. They were all appalled at his appearance and did not attempt to hide it.

As the old cowboy was leaving the church, the preacher approached him and asked the cowboy to do him a favor. "Before you come back in here again, have a talk with God and ask him what he thinks would be appropriate attire for worship." The old cowboy assured the preacher he would.

The next Sunday, he showed back up for the services wearing the same ragged jeans, shirt, boots, and hat. Once again he was completely shunned and ignored. The preacher approached the man and said, "I thought I asked you to speak to God before you came back to our church."

"I did," replied the old cowboy.

"If you spoke to God, what did he tell you the proper attire should be for worshiping in here?" asked the preacher.

"Well, sir, God told me that He didn't have a clue what I should wear. He said He'd never been in this church "
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