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Old 02-14-2006, 09:33 AM   #91
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Guess I'll add my .02 to this discussion, since it's the off-season and there's so little to talk about... ;)

I was raised in a Christian church, and switched to a Baptist church in my mid-20s. I believe what the Bible says, and I believe in Heaven and Hell. Also that Jesus is the Son of God, and that belief in Him and acceptance of Him as your personal Saviour is the only way a person will get into Heaven.

It doesn't matter to me what church you go to, or what doctrines you subscribe to, or even if you don't attend church.....

The bottom line is, if you believe in Jesus and accept Him as your personal Saviour, and strive to live by His words, you are a child of God and will be welcomed into Heaven.

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This is not intended as a flame...just a legitimate question out of curiosity.

Do you believe that the majority of the world's population: Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists....people who have been born into their faiths and believe just as fervently as you do, cannot be rewarded if there is an afterlife? Even though they probably have led virtuous lives every bit as good as a fundamentalist christian? Does your belief allow for the "salvation" of all these people?
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Old 02-14-2006, 09:33 AM   #92
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The one thing I never understood about religions such as LDS and Baptists is the utter ban on drinking alcohol.
It's not all Baptists that are against drinking, it's mostly the Southern Baptist denomination that is so vocal against it (granted, that is the largest Baptist group). FWIW, my family is Baptist, we have no issue with drinking, and our church isn't filled with sermons on that demon booze.

I do agree that some religious groups seem to emphasize various things that don't appear to be all that important to me, and I get a little annoyed when they emphasize things that aren't in (or contradict what's in) the Bible.

As far as I'm concerned, drinking in and of itself, is not a sin. Now if drinking (or anything else for that matter) causes you to sin, then you shouldn't do it.
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This is not intended as a flame...just a legitimate question out of curiosity.

Do you believe that the majority of the world's population: Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists....people who have been born into their faiths and believe just as fervently as you do, cannot be rewarded if there is an afterlife? Even though they probably have led virtuous lives every bit as good as a fundamentalist christian? Does your belief allow for the "salvation" of all these people?


Good quesion..forget the Aliens...we have most of Earth's population not even going to heaven...
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Old 02-14-2006, 09:49 AM   #94
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Ok, guys, I hope you don't hate me now, but I am a Mormon.
FWIW, I don't hate you (or anyone else for worshiping God). Basically I have great respect for all true believers. The way I see it, Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same God, but we all have different rituals for how we do it (of course the American Baptist method is the best of all).

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Old 02-14-2006, 09:50 AM   #95
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This is not intended as a flame...just a legitimate question out of curiosity.

Do you believe that the majority of the world's population: Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists....people who have been born into their faiths and believe just as fervently as you do, cannot be rewarded if there is an afterlife? Even though they probably have led virtuous lives every bit as good as a fundamentalist christian? Does your belief allow for the "salvation" of all these people?
I believe the Bible clearly states that salvation comes thru belief in and acceptance of Jesus, as the Son of the Living God, as your personal Saviour.

Therefore, anyone (for whatever reason) who does not believe, or who rejects Him, will not be saved.

However, I also believe that everyone will be given an opportunity to learn of Him and make a decision. That's what free will is all about. He will not force you to believe, but will give you opportunities, before your time comes to an end.

That's what I've been taught, and that's what I believe.

Not meant to offend, just answering the question.
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Good quesion..forget the Aliens...we have most of Earth's population not even going to heaven...
who's right and who is wrong? I don't know

isn't god all forgiving and wants us to live life a certain way, so I may not be your choice of belief but I believe with his/her forgiveness, based on living my life correctly, I should go to heaven.


plus hell is ascared I'll take over>)
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Old 02-14-2006, 09:53 AM   #97
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Good quesion..forget the Aliens...we have most of Earth's population not even going to heaven...
It's truly a question I've never been able to quite understand.

I've always felt that if there is a higher power, that the quality of a person's life and their deeds would be far more important than the specific belief that they followed through their lives. I just cannot fathom the idea of a God sprinkling contradictions and mysteries through out the Universe then expecting us to sort through it all to find the one true answer. Seems kind of sadistic to me.
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Old 02-14-2006, 09:56 AM   #98
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It's truly a question I've never been able to quite understand.

I've always felt that if there is a higher power, that the quality of a person's life and their deeds would be far more important than the specific belief that they followed through their lives. I just cannot fathom the idea of a God sprinkling contradictions and mysteries through out the Universe then expecting us to sort through it all to find the one true answer. Seems kind of sadistic to me.
While it's true there are many unanswered questions, the most important thing is belief in Jesus.

I don't think God cares how we dress for church, or what church we attend, or how often we observe communion, etc. I think, bottom line, all that matters is that you receive the gift of Salvation provided through His Son.

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Seems a little relevant......

One Sunday morning an old cowboy entered a church just before services were to begin. Although the old man and his clothes were spotlessly clean, he wore jeans, a denim shirt and boots that were very worn and ragged. In his hand he carried a worn out old hat and an equally worn out Bible.

The church he entered was in a very upscale and exclusive part of the city. It was the largest and most beautiful church the old cowboy had ever seen. The people of the congregation were all dressed with expensive clothes and accessories.

As the cowboy took a seat, the others moved away from him. No one greeted, spoke to, or welcomed him. They were all appalled at his appearance and did not attempt to hide it.

As the old cowboy was leaving the church, the preacher approached him and asked the cowboy to do him a favor. "Before you come back in here again, have a talk with God and ask him what he thinks would be appropriate attire for worship." The old cowboy assured the preacher he would.

The next Sunday, he showed back up for the services wearing the same ragged jeans, shirt, boots, and hat. Once again he was completely shunned and ignored. The preacher approached the man and said, "I thought I asked you to speak to God before you came back to our church."

"I did," replied the old cowboy.

"If you spoke to God, what did he tell you the proper attire should be for worshiping in here?" asked the preacher.

"Well, sir, God told me that He didn't have a clue what I should wear. He said He'd never been in this church "

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I just cannot fathom the idea of a God sprinkling contradictions and mysteries through out the Universe then expecting us to sort through it all to find the one true answer. .
I look at it like the secret game, everyone sits in a circle and the 1st person tells the second in secret a story, by the time it gets to the end many parts are the same but others parts are missing or embelished. God gave us a bible, his son and the chance to run with it.

there are many questions. was Jesus his son? is the bible edited? do we choose to beleive?
it is still the same god and we all want to believe our choice of belief is the correct one but is it?

who am I to tell anyone what to believe, I'm just a sinner looking for a way to be forgiven and eternal life
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This is not intended as a flame...just a legitimate question out of curiosity.

Do you believe that the majority of the world's population: Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists....people who have been born into their faiths and believe just as fervently as you do, cannot be rewarded if there is an afterlife? Even though they probably have led virtuous lives every bit as good as a fundamentalist christian? Does your belief allow for the "salvation" of all these people?
This is the big wall that Annihilus runs into when considering religion. While Annihilus used to be more of an Aetheist, he is now really more Agnostic than anything. Out of all the study and immersions in different faiths from Baptist to Voodoo, there has always been something that Annihilus just couldn't get past. In the more mainstream religions, it's the point you brought up above (which is quite a large point in Annihilus's opinion).

The less mainstream religions (like Santeria or Voodoo) are really not much different on the inside....but look a whole lot different on the outside. They have a pantheon of Gods instead of just one and perform 'spells' instead of praying. For Annihilus, the problem with these beliefs are the supernatural trappings. While the performing of rituals are really not much different from other religions, the stories of their Gods are far-fetched.

The one thing that most folks that are confined to one religion miss out on is the color and pagentry that are possessed by religions of other cultures. While the ultimate goal of the beliefs on the inside are much the same (including many very similar fables), the dressing on the outside is vastly different.

Not to mention life on other planets.....which Annihilus believes exists. They most likely have never heard of any of the tales that inspire the religions of Earth.

If Annihilus was to pick a religion that most suited him, it would probably be Buddhism, though he is comfortable around people of all faiths. Unless they're pushy.

Needless to say, Mom and Dad are Southern Baptists (living in Montana....go figure). They have the strongest faith that Annihilus has ever seen. People with faith like that are pretty lucky folks. He wishes that everyone could have faith like that.

Dunno if that fits into the conversation, really....but there ya go.
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Anni, I think you've been listening in on my thoughts, which is a frightening prospect
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Anni, I think you've been listening in on my thoughts, which is a frightening prospect
Hey....contrary to popular belief, it's not all that scary in Annihilus's head ;)
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I believe the Bible clearly states that salvation comes thru belief in and acceptance of Jesus, as the Son of the Living God, as your personal Saviour.

Therefore, anyone (for whatever reason) who does not believe, or who rejects Him, will not be saved.

However, I also believe that everyone will be given an opportunity to learn of Him and make a decision. That's what free will is all about. He will not force you to believe, but will give you opportunities, before your time comes to an end.

That's what I've been taught, and that's what I believe.

Not meant to offend, just answering the question.

I guess those who were raised Christians have a huge advantage then Huh?.. Too convenient, IMO.

According to your beliefs, everyone else on the face of the planet must disregard what they were taught since birth.

That just can't be right...and sounds more along the lines of "my religion is the only right one, everyone else is wrong". This line of reasoning has only led to one thing since the beginning of man....hatred and war.
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I guess those who were raised Christians have a huge advantage then Huh?.. Too convenient, IMO.

According to your beliefs, everyone else on the face of the planet must disregard what they were taught since birth.

That just can't be right...and sounds more along the lines of "my religion is the only right one, everyone else is wrong". This line of reasoning has only led to one thing since the beginning of man....hatred and war.
Player, We've been having a pretty good discussion here, and everyone's been quite civil. I'm hoping you're not going to turn this thread into a flame war.

I think it would be much more constructive for you to state what your believes are, rather than attacking someone else's beliefs.
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