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Old 11-08-2019, 10:26 PM   #61
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Kid just might a been right about hart lee Dam.
maybe? But another thing about that game....
I was in a car with some acquaintances, before the season started, passing Remmington stadium, or whatever it was then I said "the Pats will beat Buffalo here this season".

The carload laughed at me. So I go to the game months later, buffalo is best in the east, and they're beating the Pats on a very cold day. I yell toward the Pats bench: 'they ain't nothing, keep working, you'll beat them'. So who turns towards me, but John Stephens (all the assholes on ignore will probably say 'he sucked too'). Anyway, John Stephens turns towards me, and gives me an excited fist pump, and the Pats came back to win.

Point being, say something positive to a player, and he will get that belief back, and good things will happen.

You had to be there. Stephens went on to rush for over 110 yds, and Hart Lee Dykes caught a touchdown pass from Steve Grogan.

Carry on and have a nice evening.

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I dunno. That’s a great story. It is. Harry though needs to get on the field. Until he does my expectations are low to moderate. Something tells me he’ll show just enough to be on the roster, but nagging injuries will happen, and four years from now we will be asking “damn what if he’d been healthy and stayed on the field.”
As far as Sony? For a 1st round pick, the RB needs to be able to catch passes and run routes. No one on this board can debate or argue against that. If am RB goes in the first he needs to be a receiving threat also. At least a halfway credible one. He’s not a rookie, and it’s not 1975. A first round RB needs to be able to create yards behind bad blocking. A first round RB needs to be good enough that the coaching staff doesn’t have to call 4 QB sneaks in a game. (I know Brady does it great and I love it when he gets them, and I love watching him do it, but he’s 42!!!!)” it wouldn’t be hard list 15 RBs who would be better for this team.
And I’m sorry but F...this redshirt BS. It just tells me these guys aren’t ready. If they were they’d be playing. There’s no good way off looking at this.

I wish like hell we could go back to trading out of the first every year and stockpiling picks in the middle rounds. Where is Harris?
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I get you with the trade back and stockpiling. I don’t think Bill has as many willing dance partners. Those moves have evaporated.

I’d rather see a more concerted effort in FA with the value guys he used to always get. The Vrabels. The Rodney’s. Fill out the roster that way so the holes arent such reaches.

Wynn. A great SEC tackle. But in an NFL prototypical G build. Can he be our LT? We STILL don’t really know.

Michel. 2 down bouncer. Looks great running through truck size holes. Still hasn’t shown dependability of assignment or hands in the passing game and nobody will confuse him with Marshawn Lynch.

N’Keal. Huge frame. But he’s so far removed of what the Pats typically look for and do. No seperation skills. Are we to believe our QB of 20 years who prides himself on ball security during that whole tenure is in the twilight of his career just going to start chucking contested balls to an unproven rook in the NFL?

J’juan. Coupled picks to move up. HAD to have this guy. Played 20 defensive snaps so far.


All reaches.
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Old 11-09-2019, 12:39 PM   #64
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To my eyes, the only question about Wynn is health.

It's not whether he can play LT, it's whether he can stay on the field, because he could be up there with Armstrong, Gray and Light for the best we ever had one of these days.

Considering his experience level, I thought his play was flat-out electrifying. His mistakes easily correctable with reps.

His lateral quicks are off the charts and he's a natural at turning people perfectly away from the hole. He fucking disappears at the snap and materializes in perfect position to stone his guy. Strong as an ox, too.

Dude is all man. Just get healthy and all will be fine.

Far as N'Keal goes, I'll believe he can't get open when I see it and I haven't yet, however, you aren't alone with that assessment. I'm taking the positive approach to this kid and if I'm wrong, then it won't be the first time.

I ain't wrong about Wynn, though.
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Old 11-09-2019, 02:13 PM   #65
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To my eyes, the only question about Wynn is health.

It's not whether he can play LT, it's whether he can stay on the field, because he could be up there with Armstrong, Gray and Light for the best we ever had one of these days.

Considering his experience level, I thought his play was flat-out electrifying. His mistakes easily correctable with reps.

His lateral quicks are off the charts and he's a natural at turning people perfectly away from the hole. He fucking disappears at the snap and materializes in perfect position to stone his guy. Strong as an ox, too.

Dude is all man. Just get healthy and all will be fine.

Far as N'Keal goes, I'll believe he can't get open when I see it and I haven't yet, however, you aren't alone with that assessment. I'm taking the positive approach to this kid and if I'm wrong, then it won't be the first time.

I ain't wrong about Wynn, though.
Iíll defer to your opinion on Wynn. He seems capable. Just not sure of his frame.

NíKeal is just far removed from what weíve done in the past. His numbers donít indicate explosive seperation, nor did his scouting reports. Canít believe itíll happen now in the pros, so Iím having a hard time seeing Tom throw contested to a rook he hasnít really been effusive about.
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To my eyes, the only question about Wynn is health.

It's not whether he can play LT, it's whether he can stay on the field, because he could be up there with Armstrong, Gray and Light for the best we ever had one of these days.

Considering his experience level, I thought his play was flat-out electrifying. His mistakes easily correctable with reps.

His lateral quicks are off the charts and he's a natural at turning people perfectly away from the hole. He fucking disappears at the snap and materializes in perfect position to stone his guy. Strong as an ox, too.

Dude is all man. Just get healthy and all will be fine.

Far as N'Keal goes, I'll believe he can't get open when I see it and I haven't yet, however, you aren't alone with that assessment. I'm taking the positive approach to this kid and if I'm wrong, then it won't be the first time.

I ain't wrong about Wynn, though.

Adding Wynn will be huge. We saw his fancy foot work early on. He'll be a good one for years.

Harry can get open, even when he's covered he's open sort of like Gronk. I'm not worried about Harry. I'm far more worried about Brady actually throwing the ball to him.
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Adding Wynn will be huge. We saw his fancy foot work early on. He'll be a good one for years.

Harry can get open, even when he's covered he's open sort of like Gronk. I'm not worried about Harry. I'm far more worried about Brady actually throwing the ball to him.
Yes, because thatís not open. To Brady seperation is open. Thatís how Edelman, Welker, DA, Troy Brown, Branch all did it. Throwing to covered guys was reserved for Gronk. Iím not sold heíll have that faith. Not for some time. And Iím not sure weíre even looking at for some time now.
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Yes, because thatís not open. To Brady seperation is open. Thatís how Edelman, Welker, DA, Troy Brown, Branch all did it. Throwing to covered guys was reserved for Gronk. Iím not sold heíll have that faith. Not for some time. And Iím not sure weíre even looking at for some time now.
I somewhat disagree.

Brady loves the back shoulder like a fat guy loves cake and Harry showed back-shoulder chops early. There are techniques that can be used without a guy busting wide open. I think he'll throw a contested ball to a guy he trusts, like White or Jules and Sanu is looking like a potential BFF in record time. I might give Dorsett a partial, too.

How many passes did Brady throw to Chris Hogan after he slowed down? Dozens and dozens at least because Hogan lost his burst and couldn't get open with a corkscrew and a crowbar. In fact, he didn't have a whole lot of alternatives at times, but he never really put Hogan in the Time Out chair even when a lot of us thought he might've deserved it.

I think that Brady is in a place now where he is far less antsy about going deep or taking a chance at an INT than he was, say, 5 years or so ago. He's gotten what you might call selectively aggressive lately, which I kind of admire.

I guess it's smart to question whether Brady will trust Harry, but my guess is that he'll give him a solid chance to prove he can handle the heat.
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I somewhat disagree.

Brady loves the back shoulder like a fat guy loves cake and Harry showed back-shoulder chops early. There are techniques that can be used without a guy busting wide open. I think he'll throw a contested ball to a guy he trusts, like White or Jules and Sanu is looking like a potential BFF in record time. I might give Dorsett a partial, too.

How many passes did Brady throw to Chris Hogan after he slowed down? Dozens and dozens at least because Hogan lost his burst and couldn't get open with a corkscrew and a crowbar. In fact, he didn't have a whole lot of alternatives at times, but he never really put Hogan in the Time Out chair even when a lot of us thought he might've deserved it.

I think that Brady is in a place now where he is far less antsy about going deep or taking a chance at an INT than he was, say, 5 years or so ago. He's gotten what you might call selectively aggressive lately, which I kind of admire.

I guess it's smart to question whether Brady will trust Harry, but my guess is that he'll give him a solid chance to prove he can handle the heat.
Oh I think thatís revisionist history at best.

I saw dozens of plays last year with Hogan running free. I chocked it up initially as well Hogan is progression 3 or 4 and 12 felt comfortable with 1 or 2 so....

But after an extended sample size I was nope, heís shunned.

Chris never wavered. And he saved the Fvcking day in KC. Iíll never forget.

But the bigger picture is if TB shuts you off, youíre last resort when youíre still out there.

I hope thatís not Harry.


Now watch him go out and grab 12 for 144 and 2 TDs.
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Isn't a back shoulder catch from a TFB pass the beginning of how Harry ended up on IR.
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Huh? Whah?

Are you suggesting the back shoulder catch is so dangerous that it should be made illegal like the Horse-Collar tackle?

I'd suggest that it's a lot less dangerous than, say, leading a guy directly into a Safety coming downhill at him and possibly one of the safest pass plays there is.

Do you have any supporting evidence besides that? I'd settle for anecdotal.
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WTH are you talking about. I was saying that TFB does have the confidence to throw to Harry. Slow your roll.
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WTH are you talking about. I was saying that TFB does have the confidence to throw to Harry. Slow your roll.
Honestly, it did sound like you were taking a shot at back shoulder throws.
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WTH are you talking about. I was saying that TFB does have the confidence to throw to Harry. Slow your roll.
I'll slow my roll if you own your own words.

Off the top of my head, I'd say that most folks would interpret the following:

Isn't a back shoulder catch from a TFB pass the beginning of how Harry ended up on IR?

---as meaning either Brady got Harry hurt by throwing him one or Harry can't handle the route?

It didn't strike me as being anything about confidence.
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Huh? Whah?

Are you suggesting the back shoulder catch is so dangerous that it should be made illegal like the Horse-Collar tackle?

I'd suggest that it's a lot less dangerous than, say, leading a guy directly into a Safety coming downhill at him and possibly one of the safest pass plays there is.

Do you have any supporting evidence besides that? I'd settle for anecdotal.
I think he meant that was the play he got hurt on. Harry made the contortion and the grab, but came down awkwardly and got hurt.

But like you said, itís typically a safe play and the contact/tackle is limited to a shove out of bounds.
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