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Old 06-14-2018, 07:24 AM   #1
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City Councilwoman Wants City To Look Into Buying Heroin For Addicts

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Seattle, WA – Several Seattle City Council members have announced that they plan to move forward with multi-million dollar, taxpayer-funded proposal to purchase a massive recreation vehicle that would provide intravenous drug users with a space to shoot up.

One city council member said she would even like to look into the option of providing illegal drugs for users.

The estimated startup costs associated with the project amount to $1.8 million, not including the $2.5 million in additional taxpayer dollars that would be needed to operate it, KCPQ reported.

“We were looking at those city-owned and county-owned properties, but none were really viable that were appropriate,” Seattle Human Services Department representative Meg Olberding told KIRO.

Instead of a brick-and-mortar location, project proponents began exploring the concept of a “fixed-mobile” site, which would allow the RV to be moved to a set location each day, then taken back to a secure facility off-site for cleaning and maintenance at night, KIRO reported.

“It is an option where we would actually lease or go into an agreement regarding a fixed site,” Human Services Department health strategist Jeff Sakuma explained during a June 7 council committee meeting. “This is potentially a very large vehicle that we would then house the consumption activity in.”

The RV would offer accommodations including booths where addicts could use illegal drugs and a separate section designated for recovery.

“We would want to make sure we provide a safe area, not only for the neighbors but for the individuals who are using as well,” Sakuma told the council.

During the meeting, council members Sally Bagshaw and Debora Juarez urged proponents of the “safe injection site” plan to go out into the community to convert those who opposed the concept.

“A particular group of people shows up at every one of my community meetings to come at me over that [issue],” an apparently exasperated Juarez said. “You can only do so much.”

“No one deserves to die behind a 7-Eleven,” she added.

Council member Teresa Mosqueda said that data behind the model showed that such sites help to prevent deaths and provide opportunities for community outreach.

“Every day we don’t move forward, people are at risk for overdose and death, so with that in mind and with this sense of urgency for the third time this year alone that you have heard us express this, I am calling on our mayor and our county as a whole to act with urgency so we can move forward this year,” Mosqueda proclaimed.

Bagshaw took the concept of enabling drug addicts a step further and said she would like to learn more about the possibility of providing drugs for users who may not be able to bring their own.

“I have heard of some other models where drugs are provided…And that’s a public safety model,” Bagshaw said, according to KIRO. “Because those who may not have the money to buy drugs are not breaking and entering to obtain whatever they need to buy whatever it is they are using. I would like to explore this…part of what we are trying to do is reduce crime as well.”

The city has already allocated $1.3 million to put towards the RV’s upstart, but the additional millions of dollars in operating costs have not yet been secured, KCPQ reported.
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Old 06-14-2018, 07:34 AM   #2
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This is the same city that wanted to have a jobs tax to give money to homeless people, isn't it?

I blame Starbucks.
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:13 AM   #3
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You'll have a much easier time convincing me in the benefits of providing needles (and a way to dispose of them) than you will the drug itself.

I am on board for legalizing and regulating the drug though. You'd cut down on a lot of overdoses if you removed the black market from the equation. Probably quite a bit of crime as well. I'd also spend all the money not being used on prohibition on rehabilitation (including research on more effective ways to help people quit the habit)

That all said, state sponsored heroin is probably a bridge too far for me.
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:21 AM   #4
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I think Portugal has seen very positive results in providing heroin to addicts as part of overall treatment.

As Jaric points out there is a drop in overdoses, a drop in crime but also a drop in overall addiction rates.
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I'm about as Libertarian as they come, but that's nuts, and stupid.

Taxpayer funded drug addiction...wonderful.

Why don't we start with something legal, like taxpayer funded alcohol for alcoholics? Better eyt, how about we take that money and put it toward the outfuckingrageously priced prescription drugs for the elderly and mentally ill?

I'd still have problems with that, but it would makes a Hell of a lot more sense than handing out free Heroin...are you fucking kidding me?

The CIA would love it, of course.

Listen, if some church or charity wants to do this...fine, I am totally fine with that....but fucking taking money out of working folks' paychecks to pay for drugs for drug addicts is insane!
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I think Portugal has seen very positive results in providing heroin to addicts as part of overall treatment.

As Jaric points out there is a drop in overdoses, a drop in crime but also a drop in overall addiction rates.
You might be able to talk me in to it under the strict condition it's administered by a doctor with the intent to wean the addict off the drug.

If we're just providing people a fix because it's easier to just give them a place to throw their lives away... That's a much harder thing for me to wrap my head around.
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You might be able to talk me in to it under the strict condition it's administered by a doctor with the intent to wean the addict off the drug.

If we're just providing people a fix because it's easier to just give them a place to throw their lives away... That's a much harder thing for me to wrap my head around.
Yeah, I think the idea that a doctor prescribes heroin as part of a long term treatment plan is fine. Having a place to just go get a fix doesn't seem like a good idea.
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Can you imagine how often the RV gets stolen.

I can't see supplying the user heroin, needles and disposal of I am starting to accept, but free drugs seems a bit much.

Legalizing it scares me, we seem a much more aggressive nation than Portugal, I think the comparative is difficult based on that.
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Step right up step right up come get your free heroin. We guarantee this will be fentanyl free or your money back. * disclaimer* if you die behind your local 7-Eleven we are not responsible for your death however we will give you a free big gulp.
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step right up step right up come get your free heroin. We guarantee this will be fentanyl free or your money back. * disclaimer* if you die behind your local 7-eleven we are not responsible for your death however we will give you a free big gulp.
interesting, is the city assuming liability if they od?
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If we are going to make anything free at our cost, it needs to be treatment programs for these people.
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If we are going to make anything free at our cost, it needs to be treatment programs for these people.
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If we are going to make anything free at our cost, it needs to be treatment programs for these people.
When I first read the OP I was like what the heck? If one calculates the cost it will take to keep this up the price tag would be I think you are on to something AOT
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hell yeah and not a quick 3-7 day dry out before we cut you loose - longer term treatment.
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hell yeah and not a quick 3-7 day dry out before we cut you loose - longer term treatment.
Yea ten years in a North Korean prison.
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