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Old 07-28-2012, 10:20 AM   #16
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Hmmm... A Fox News article quoting the ACLU in defense of Chick-Fil-A. I bet progressive heads exploded all over the place
I don't agree with every position taken by the ACLU, but I have to give them credit for sticking to their principles and not being PC.


Oh and the various Pols fail to grasp a very important fact.

You can't boycott a business that isn't in your area.
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I don't agree with every position taken by the ACLU, but I have to give them credit for sticking to their principles and not being PC.


Oh and the various Pols fail to grasp a very important fact.

You can't boycott a business that isn't in your area.
Agreed.
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I was asked where I wanted to go to dinner tonight and actually picked Chick-Fil-A!!!
Never ate there before, and this made me curious. It was actually good.
I've never been to one either. I don't even know if they have one around here. The publicity does have me curious to try one, though.
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I've never been to one either. I don't even know if they have one around here. The publicity does have me curious to try one, though.
I know there's one at the north Shore Mall.


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I'm actually starting to think I've missed something. Did they say that gay people aren't welcome there or something?

Saying that he believes in the "biblical" definition of marriage (in of it's self) doesn't sound like a message of hate. Did he say anything significantly more than that, or is the media just hyping this to sell newspapers?

As par for the course, I know this isn't the PC thing to say, but this seems to be getting hyped way more than real discrimination, like the Catholic diocese refusing to sell property to a couple because they are gay.

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Jonathan Turley is one of the few people that can appear both on Fox and MSNBC and no one bats an eye, because he's usually balanced in his approach. I usually lend a lot of weight in what he has to say.

That being said, the ACLU is correct. Unless actual discrimination is taking place as a condition of employment, government has no right to say who can and who cannot open shop anywhere. That's exactly what the Revolutionaries were fighting against. The only good thing that's come out of this, is now I'm aware how the president of Chick-Fil-A feels and I will not frequent his establishment. I will go even farther and refuse to watch the Chick-Fil-A Bowl, even if my Hawkeyes earn an invitation.
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Old 07-28-2012, 01:04 PM   #22
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I've never been to one either. I don't even know if they have one around here. The publicity does have me curious to try one, though.
I went back today...and there was a very long line of cars in each port.
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Old 07-28-2012, 01:08 PM   #23
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I've never been to one either. I don't even know if they have one around here. The publicity does have me curious to try one, though.
As a result of this controversy, some people have said their chicken sandwich is very good.
Ya' know what, it's actually quite good. Very tender, moist and juicy. I can't eat the bread due to allergies but I did eat the crust and that was tasty too. So, a little bit will give me a few bumps for a day. Just wanted to check it out. Frankly, I think having a bun would be too much.

It was also packed at lunch with the two drive thru's with very long lines. Longer than I've seen at McDonalds recently. Nothing, like controversy to stir up extra business.
I am not saying this is why all those cars were there but controversy does have this effect. I think just as many people will support them than those who boycott them, perhaps more.
The CEO had an opinion and didn't do anything to harm anyone. It's his religion for gosh sakes. The govt can infringe his First Amendment rights.
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As a result of this controversy, some people have said their chicken sandwich is very good.
Ya' know what, it's actually quite good. Very tender, moist and juicy. I can't eat the bread due to allergies but I did eat the crust and that was tasty too. So, a little bit will give me a few bumps for a day. Just wanted to check it out. Frankly, I think having a bun would be too much.

It was also packed at lunch with the two drive thru's with very long lines. Longer than I've seen at McDonalds recently. Nothing, like controversy to stir up extra business.
I am not saying this is why all those cars were there but controversy does have this effect. I think just as many people will support them than those who boycott them, perhaps more.
The CEO had an opinion and didn't do anything to harm anyone. It's his religion for gosh sakes. The govt can infringe his First Amendment rights.
Well, glad to see that you support Dan Cathy's hatred and bigotry, but, of course, feel free to do so.

Those that believe homosexuals have a right to marry are going to be sickened by his public stance and would never step foot near one of them to pad the coffers that he'll use to support agencies that don't want to allow homosexuals the freedoms and benefits that others enjoy.

Those that aren't evolved enough to realize that every human being has the right to love and marry the person of his choice will eat there to further his cause.

The only thing he has succeeded in doing is drawing the nice, crisp line in the sand.
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PFL I have a friend who's about as left as it gets and she's going to continue to go there.

I believe consenting adults who are gay should be able to have a legally recognized committed relationship and have families, but I also think that if an organization has certain beliefs and are outward about them and don't discriminate against them in any real, actual , demonstrable (SP? looks wrong to me)way as far as hiring, etc, I have no problem with their being allowed to have their beliefs and state them.
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Yeah, of course - any disagreement with the left on things, or any opinion that doesn't agree with the left is automatically "hate" and "bigotry" and the standard leftist response, aside from demonization, is to shut it down.

Oh, how far the self-proclaimed "open-minded free-thinkers" have fallen - they've become what they claim to hate
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PFL I have a friend who's about as left as it gets and she's going to continue to go there.

I believe consenting adults who are gay should be able to have a legally recognized committed relationship and have families, but I also think that if an organization has certain beliefs and are outward about them and don't discriminate against them in any real, actual , demonstrable (SP? looks wrong to me)way as far as hiring, etc, I have no problem with their being allowed to have their beliefs and state them.
Absolutely, and I completely agree that everyone should be allowed to have beliefs and state them.

The reality is by stating his beliefs he has shown discrimination. Perhaps not to his employees, though I would strongly speculate that if it comes to his attention that a potential employee is gay he would find a way not to hire him. Of course, that's speculation.

Most people that I have spoken with on the issue have drawn a line in the sand. Those that support gay rights wouldn't step foot in the place because by buying the product, they are giving money to a corporation that financially supports organizations that don't believe in gay rights. Others that don't care one way or the other would go there. I personally don't have any friends or family that are so stringently religious that they would support beliefs such as his.
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This is a religious belief of the owner. There was no act of discrimination. Those boycotting are calling him a hater. But what are they, when they try to use a govt institution such as Rahm in Chicago denying a permit and/or two state universities in Kansas trying to shut one down. These are actions, not thoughts, that infringe a First Amendment right on both speech and religion? It's ironic but I see this as projection when they call this hate.

If this CEO loses money from a boycott by gays or those supporting gay marriage, I don't think he would even care about losing that money. Afterall, he refuses to be open on Sunday, the Lord's Day already. He can just keep his chains in the south and do well enough anyway.

There are people who won't buy Ben and Jerry's icecream because they are a progressive values company. For instance they tried to raise $2 million for OWS.
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Yeah, of course - any disagreement with the left on things, or any opinion that doesn't agree with the left is automatically "hate" and "bigotry" and the standard leftist response, aside from demonization, is to shut it down.

Oh, how far the self-proclaimed "open-minded free-thinkers" have fallen - they've become what they claim to hate
I disagree with you. I don't believe this is a political issue.
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Yeah, of course - any disagreement with the left on things, or any opinion that doesn't agree with the left is automatically "hate" and "bigotry" and the standard leftist response, aside from demonization, is to shut it down.

Oh, how far the self-proclaimed "open-minded free-thinkers" have fallen - they've become what they claim to hate
No one is tolerant about everything. If we were we'd stand for nothing. Although, I agree that the left more often CLAIMS to be the more tolerant of the sides, they are not when it comes to political opinions. It's racist, homophobe etc. Again, no one tolerates everything and I don't think an anything goes under the label of "tolerance" really holds up under two-valued logic.
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