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Old 12-07-2017, 06:12 AM   #46
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Hernandez did a lot of meth.

Methamphetamines – If you want to severely damage your overall brain functioning, consider meth. Over time, this is a sure-fire way to roast your brain cells and cause long term damage to many areas of the brain. What’s interesting is that chronic use of meth can cause changes to the brain similar to those found in patients with Alzheimer’s disease and stroke victims. Scientists have found that the more you use meth, the more damage your brain cells will incur.
So can they prove his CTE was not Meth related?

Or Webster’s was not steroid related?

I am not saying the singular reason but a portion of it, and why so advanced?
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It's gone so far overboard the last game your team played two guys had to be carried off the field on stretchers. Neither one was an example of a player inuring themselves trying to avoid a head collision.

Shazier damn near paralyzed himself trying to tackle a Bengal with his face and Burfect got blasted by a WR he didn't see who launched into his head.

But I get it. "Big boy football" right? Remind Shazier of that in ten years when he's having mood swings and violent outbursts. I'm sure his family will understand that "AFC North football" is more important than their husband or father being able to remember their names when they're 50.
Still BS about the JuJu launch.
I'll tell you what, then the NFL should stop putting AFC North football on prime time. Evidently it's too violent for today's public consumption.
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Like I said in the other thread Jaric, it's a game of instinct. When you have to think about how to tackle somebody "legally", it doesn't prevent injuries, it exasperates them. It's gone way overboard. That's all I am saying.
I agree with you here. The nature of the game is violent and you really can't legislate that. The safety rules that they have put in are a double edge sword. It for sure helps the players to stay healthier in some aspect but it also negates the nature of the game. I am not sure what the right balance is but if you go too far one way or the other than the game is at risk. I think it is already at risk.

One thing for sure is the absolute worst commish to have to try to solve this mammoth issue.
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Still BS about the JuJu launch.
I'll tell you what, then the NFL should stop putting AFC North football on prime time. Evidently it's too violent for today's public consumption.
From my view, if you want to see NFL football in 20 years, if you want it to exist, deliberate head shots have to be punished. It's that simple.
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From my view, if you want to see NFL football in 20 years, if you want it to exist, deliberate head shots have to be punished. It's that simple.
Which play in that game was deliberate?
I saw 2., neither involved the Steelers.

Yet who's getting suspended....
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The most dangerous play in the game was BY FAR the Ileoka hit on Brown.

His head was destroyed, pinwheeling him.
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From my view, if you want to see NFL football in 20 years, if you want it to exist, deliberate head shots have to be punished. It's that simple.
They should take AFC North Football off of primetime because it's a ****ing terrible, boring product, with minimal skill compared to the rest of the league.
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As an NFL fan, and one who was watching when Daryl Stingley was paralyzed, one thing I've always dreaded is the possibility that someone would die on the field. I am positive this has been discussed in the league office as well. That would be the end of the league.

So do I miss the days of bone crunching hits? Yeah I do, but at the same time I am not going to get all outraged at trying to make the game safer. It's a pain in the ass but you've got to adjust. Guys are much better at the defenseless receiver rules than when they started, and blind side blocks are a new emphasis.
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They should take AFC North Football off of primetime because it's a ****ing terrible, boring product, with minimal skill compared to the rest of the league.
lol.

WEird how most of time 2 or even 3 teams from that division make the playoffs.

Terrible. boring.

thank you for your input.
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As an NFL fan, and one who was watching when Daryl Stingley was paralyzed, one thing I've always dreaded is the possibility that someone would die on the field. I am positive this has been discussed in the league office as well. That would be the end of the league.

So do I miss the days of bone crunching hits? Yeah I do, but at the same time I am not going to get all outraged at trying to make the game safer. It's a pain in the ass but you've got to adjust. Guys are much better at the defenseless receiver rules than when they started, and blind side blocks are a new emphasis.
all the rules have done is make more penalties, the hits still happen. Lets be honest, the rules are to protect the shield, not the players, in case of injury, or death.
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As an NFL fan, and one who was watching when Daryl Stingley was paralyzed, one thing I've always dreaded is the possibility that someone would die on the field. I am positive this has been discussed in the league office as well. That would be the end of the league.

So do I miss the days of bone crunching hits? Yeah I do, but at the same time I am not going to get all outraged at trying to make the game safer. It's a pain in the ass but you've got to adjust. Guys are much better at the defenseless receiver rules than when they started, and blind side blocks are a new emphasis.
It’s already happened. Chuck Hughes.

And in college?

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https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...ther-paralyzed

Deadly Day for College Football

This has been one of the deadliest years for college football in decades.

Two players died after games last Saturday, CBS Sports and other news outlets reported, and three others died from football-related ailments during the off-season.

Robert Grays, who played for Midwestern State University, died after suffering a neck injury during a game Saturday, the university said. The 19-year-old Grays was a 5-foot-8-inch, 160-pound cornerback for NCAA Division II Midwestern State, which is located in Texas.

“Robert touched many lives while attending the university, but perhaps he will be remembered best for his smile,” Suzanne Shipley, the university’s president, said in a written statement. “He was an inspiration on and off the field to those around him, and he will be remembered with love and affection by his friends, classmates, coaches and teammates.”

Clayton Geib, a senior football player at the College of Wooster, died Sunday after complaining that he did not feel well after the Division III team's game Saturday, according to the college. Geib, who was 21, had cramps and was hyperventilating in the locker room after the game.Clayton Geib
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“Clayton was a wonderful student and member of the College of Wooster community, and beloved by many,” Wooster’s president, Sarah R. Bolton, said in a written statement. “Our hearts are breaking, and all our prayers and thoughts are with Clayton’s family, teammates and friends.”

Most of the 35 college football-related deaths since 2000 have been linked to overexertion rather than traumatic injury, CBS’s Dennis Dodd reported, citing research by Scott Anderson, the University of Oklahoma's head athletic trainer and an authority on player safety. However, traumatic brain injuries in football have been a focus in recent years.

“Training regimens are too often built on tradition versus based on science and place players at risk,” Anderson wrote in a 2012 research paper published by the Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research.

Earlier this year Dodd reported on several recent cases of Division I football players who were hospitalized after grueling workouts. In a particularly high-profile example from 2011, the University of Iowa concluded after an investigation that 13 Iowa football players were hospitalized after becoming ill with a muscle syndrome called rhabdomyolysis. The syndrome occurs when muscle is destroyed and releases into the bloodstream products that damage the kidneys. It can be caused by exercise and some dietary supplements.

Sickle-cell trait can also contribute to injury and death from overexertion.

A lawsuit filed by the family of a Rice University football player, Dale Lloyd, who died after a team workout in 2006 due to sickle cell-related complications, prompted the NCAA to recommend that teams test for the condition.

Yet college football player deaths related to overexertion and sickle cell, which affects one in 12 African-Americans, have continued.

Last year the University of California, Berkeley, settled a wrongful death lawsuit filed by the family of former Cal football player Ted Agu for $4.75 million. Agu, a pre-med student and defensive lineman, died at 21 shortly after a strenuous off-season conditioning workout, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

Since 2000, six college football players have died from game-related traumatic injuries, according to Anderson. Tackling or blocking while leading with the head often is a cause. The NCAA has created rules aimed at reducing those injuries.

Yet Dodd, citing an unnamed witness to the play on which Grays was injured, said it was a routine tackle.

“If you really saw it, it was a football play,” the witness said. “He was in on a tackle. It was like anything you'd see on any other play.”

The last time two college football players died in the same year while playing the game (as opposed to during workouts) was in 2011, Dodd reported.

Also last Saturday, a Harvard University football player, Ben Abercrombie, severely injured his neck while making a tackle during the team’s loss to the University of Rhode Island.

Abercrombie, a first-year student, lost feeling in his arms and legs and has required breathing assistance since sustaining the cervical injury, ESPN reported. Doctors operated on his neck and are reportedly hopeful that the paralysis will subside.

Last month, The New York Times reported that Ed Cunningham, a college football analyst for the sports network ESPN, walked away from his job because of ethical concerns about injuries players sustain from the sport. Cunningham, who won an NCAA championship as a player at the University of Washington and who also played in the National Football League, in particular cited the risk of chronic traumatic encephalopathy, a degenerative brain disease found in many former football players.

“In its current state, there are some real dangers: broken limbs, wear and tear,” Cunningham told the newspaper. “But the real crux of this is that I just don’t think the game is safe for the brain. To me, it’s unacceptable.”
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So can they prove his CTE was not Meth related?

Or Webster’s was not steroid related?

I am not saying the singular reason but a portion of it, and why so advanced?
1. I don't believe meth causes CTE. It causes a lot of other things but not CTE.
2. Webster actually denied ever using steroids despite being legal at the time.
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all the rules have done is make more penalties, the hits still happen. Lets be honest, the rules are to protect the shield, not the players, in case of injury, or death.
Yeah, the lawsuits are what triggered the changes.
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1. I don't believe meth causes CTE. It causes a lot of other things but not CTE.
2. Webster actually denied ever using steroids despite being legal at the time.
1. Link? Study? Brain images of long term users like CTE case?

2. I might run out of lol’s. 70’s Stealers were the pre-cursor to Putin’s Olympic teams.
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all the rules have done is make more penalties, the hits still happen. Lets be honest, the rules are to protect the shield, not the players, in case of injury, or death.
Yeah, there isn't a whole lot of consistency for some of these rules.

Take the hands to the face rule. That's a player safety rule, and I agree that certain hands to the face have the potential to cause significant injury.

So if a lineman's hand brushes the opponents face, the flag comes out.

Yet a running back can almost rip a defenders head off with a stiff arm and that's "great football!"

Same thing with helmet to helmet. That is never called on a play with a RB involved. Presumably because they drop their head so much, the vast majority of plays would draw a flag.

So let's all agree that player safety isn't the final decider on this.

BTW, Pats Pulpit had an article comparing various plays that resulted in suspension here.

I know everyone will be shocked, shocked, that the NFL isn't consistent in their response.
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